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Old 09-16-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Question 1993 Mustang 2.3 Talkin about Mufflers(glasspacks)

Ok so im thinking about replacing my muffler in the not to distant future because:
1. Its probably broken it looks dented
2. It makes so much noise at akward times cuz its hung weird(and might be broken)
3. Why would i keep the stocker lol
4. Its hung weird by some weird strap and pipe set up(previous owner)

Im thinking of getting a glasspack. Direct replacement mufflers are like 45 bucks, flowmasters and such are like 70+ so in the interest of saving money i picked the glasspack.(although you can convince me otherwise if theres a cheaper/similar option)

here are my questions feel free to answer any or tell me to go do it myself!/go do the research yourself!/get a tape measure!(which i havent got around to doing with the rain/and work)i just need alittle info before ordering online. anyhelp is appreciated tho.

Whats the exhaust stock diameter?(fitment)
What size glasspack should i get?(length/inlet/ID/and outlet)
Isnt it like the longer the glasspack is the quieter it is and the other way around?(24/27/32")
What a good one that wont choke down to like an inch with all the baffles and such thats in there?
Is there a way to connect a glasspack or any muffler without welding it on?(newbie question)
What are my other options?

Dont have a welder/and im not going full on custom exhaust and cutting the cats off blah blah its my DD so i just need a replacement that doesnt sound crap(e my stocker)

Thanks in advance.
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Have you thought about going without the muffler? It should help a lot for power and what not. It would cost just about the same price as a new muffler for a guy to weld in a piece of exhaust. Not to mention the narly sound that it would be emmiting!

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Whenever you post something on a forum, you run the risk of having a crotchety old fart like me tell you "Hey, don't do dat!!" Well, here ya go.

I did this very thing about 40 years ago and regretted it from day two, the first time a pipe joint separated in the school parking lot. I swore off backyard designing exhaust systems then. Look at what Mr. Prior Owner did to you.

The cheapest alternative is one you only have to do once.

There are many reasons why almost nobody uses glasspacks. Whatever a glasspack is going to cost you, it will cost you that again sometime next year, if that long. It will sound like crap behind the catalytic converters. That deep rich sound glasspacks are known for doesn't happen on cat'ed cars and anyway, it goes away in about a month. So whatever it sounds like on day one will get worse in a hurry. The glass fibers get clogged with soot and harden, at least what fiber doesn't blow away out the tailpipe. So you start off with Buddabuddabuddabuddabudda and finish up with blattablattablattablattablatta.... Glasspacks are pretty hard to find in a parts store because they are not street legal in most states that don't have tumble weeds or 'coon dogs.

Glasspacks do not have baffles. They are open straight through, the same diameter as your pipe. The portion of the glasspack that is bigger than your pipe is filled with some sort of fiberous material to deaden the high pitched sounds and held in place with a tube of expanded metal. Back in the day I suppose they were filled with fiberglass, but it is probably heavy guage metal wool now, or maybe hemp fibers.

You can usually buy the clamps required to hold a muffler to your pipes from wherever you get the muffler. Make sure you tell them you want a direct fit, not a weld in muffler. I personally like steel band clamps.

I suggest a flowmaster series 40 muffler. Even the plain aluminized steel will last at least 4 years. They can be purchased individually without any accessories or "System" with it and they probably can be purchased with hanger rods in the stock locations, although it sounds like you will have to go to Ford for some stock rubber isolators. Flowmaster can tell you which one will fit your car on their website search engine, or call them. For a car that old you may need to know your pipe diameter beforehand.

Hopefully, mr. prior owner didn't butcher the stock pipes all up. If he did, you may have to buy a new over axle pipe and/or tail pipe to fill in the missing pipe. You will need the expanded or shrunken socket ends on the stock pipes to avoid doing the piece'o'pipe-clamp-piece'o'pipe-clamp jigsaw puzzle routine. And, you will need good joints to pass inspection if your state has that sort of thing.

Cherry Bomb might be something to consider too. At least they sell 'em that look like glasspacks.

To measure your pipe diameter, don't use a tape measure unless you can get to an open end of pipe and even then the end sockets will give you a false reading by at least 1/8". Just holding the tape up beside the pipe and sighting in the diameter isn't good enough.

Find something to use as a caliper (the measuring devise) and fit it around a straight run section of the pipe going into the muffler. Then measure the distance between the ends of your caliper device. It'll be probably 2" or 2 1/4" on the 2.3 liter.

I have an old rusty set of large channel lock pliers that are so crusty they will stay where I spread them. I have measured exhaust pipe by closing the handle ends up on the pipe, then measuring the distance between the points that contacted the pipe.
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thanks for taking the time to right me a novel. i thought id have to start bumping this so someone would answer lol.

im well aware of the risks. but im just a risk taker.

whats the difference between a glasspack and a cherrybomb? they look exactly the same? does cherrybomb not suck?

flowmaster site only lists mufflers for v8s but it looks like the pipe size is 2.25" ....jeez if i win the lottery and take out a loan ill have enough for a hushpower!

as of right now im looking at the flowmaster 40 delta series. just gotta find the fit size and offset.

for now im going to bed.
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thanks for taking the time to right me a novel. i thought id have to start bumping this so someone would answer lol.

im well aware of the risks. but im just a risk taker.

whats the difference between a glasspack and a cherrybomb? they look exactly the same? does cherrybomb not suck?

flowmaster site only lists mufflers for v8s but it looks like the pipe size is 2.25" ....jeez if i win the lottery and take out a loan ill have enough for a hushpower!

as of right now im looking at the flowmaster 40 delta series. just gotta find the fit size and offset.

for now im going to bed.
The "Cherry Bomb" company earned their reputation by selling Glasspack mufflers back in the late '60s. The difference is glasspack is a type of muffler and Cherry Bomb is a brand name.

Back in the day, the two terms were used genericly and interchangeable on the street, just like some people call a refrigerator, a Frigidair (brand name) even though it might be a Maytag.
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I've got a mustang parts car which currently has no muffler. I was amazed at how "un-loud" it was with just the pipe - using a cherry bomb style muffler might just give that 2.3 a nice little rumble, without being obnoxious...

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i cut the muffler off of mine, found out it was illegal, and then put a Thrush glass pack on it. the glasspack actually gave it a nice deeper tone and slighty amplifies the tone the older it gets. i've had it on there for two months and it still sounds nice, looks nice, and it gets louder by the day(not literally it's more like by the week). still it is nice and costs only $30 at your local o'reillys. hope this help/influences your decision.
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alrighty.

scratched the glasspack idea.

im just going to get a thrust muffler type deal. its cheaper than getting a OE direct replacement? go figure. hopefully my clamps arent to rusted away and will still tighten down so it doesnt leak at both ends lol. might have to get some of those too. lame.

so we will see how that turns out. in a week or so. i dont just do things i get around to them. eventually. (notice the start time of the OP)
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