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Old 09-23-2009   #1 (permalink)
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http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...h_MVI_0582.jpgJust finished camming up my new ride. What do you think guys. .635 lift hydrulic roller 232 duration I&E 112 lobe centers. Now its off to the dyno. I will keep you posted.TOM RENZO
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You seem to be a "jack-of-all-trades" kind of guy when it comes to cars. Is there any kind of car you DON'T like?
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You seem to be a "jack-of-all-trades" kind of guy when it comes to cars. Is there any kind of car you DON'T like?
I LOVE THEM ALL. To tell you the truth i really love my 2.3 TC. Its an underdog and a real challenge to make it really fast. I have made real good HP with the old 2.3 this new on i am building is really a big pony job. It easy to get HP from an LS gen 3 motor like this camaro. But a 2.3 thats fun. That is why i like this website. You guys are real sports and car guys at heart. I post on other sites and all i get is grief. I love passing on info to all of you and i really find this site confertible and reseptive. Peace guys and keep banging gears TOM RENZO
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Tom, I visit at least one other site that you do, and I've seen the crap you get just because your thinking goes against the grain of the established experts. Some folks are just set in their ways. I've always been a Ford guy at heart, with a dirty little fetish for Mopars (71-74 B-Bodies and 2.2 turbo cars). Most of my friends were Chevy guys so the bar and parking lot conversations got a little heated (fun though). But the thing about that was that no matter where our loyalty was, we were still friends and still helped each other turn wrenches or whatever needed to be done. We were car all car guys we just had our favorites. With the exception of a couple, everyone was open-minded and it didn't matter what you drove or what you liked. You were car guy, just like they were. That's how it was, that's how it should be. The internet has really helped with that, but by the same exponent that multiplied real car guys, those close-minded one track guys multiplied also. Just the way it is and I'll loan a grain of salt to anyone who needs one to deal with it.

Glad to have you here Tom. No offense to the anyone who posts here, but there's only a couple of guys who seriously know what they're doing. Kurt (NavySVO) is certainly one of them, and you're another.

Now about the Camaro...

At first when I read the cam specs, I balked at the 112 lobe centers. But when I read it was an LS motor in an F-body, it all made sense. the 112 degree lobe separation is very EFI friendly. The lobes on that cam must look outrageous to have that much lift and duration with the centerlines 112 degrees apart. Roller cams are beautiful. You'd never get that out of a flat tappet even if you used the old mushroom bottoms.

When you work on an LS motor, do you see what I mean about the engineers on that project being the second coming of the Ramchargers? Factory roller cams have been in production since the late 80's. Until the LS, no one ever designed a roller motor to be cam swap friendly. It's not in line with corporate mass production mentality. Car guys...each and every one of them.
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Chandler you are the best buddy. I get so much grief on other sites it makes me mad. I respect all builds. I once took JR to a car show and he bad mouthes a nisson Z car. Not to the owner to me. JR is a very polite kid and does not do that stuff. I explained to him all of us car guys have the same goals CARS and that is the bottom line. Years ago the older guys would not tell you anything sbout their setups. Ok J2 olds motors and La salle trannys pritty basic. But they were hard nosed about their setups. I will never do that i love sharing info. I am not the smartest guy on these subjects just old. You young guys have to take over and pass the sport on. I respect all builds no matter what. Everyone deserves a day in the spit light no matter what he or she builds. I love them all. Piece Brother and keep building RIDES. You are a stand up guy chandler Yes those gen 3 motors have the magic 18* heads and a cam like i put in that puppy really does wonders. You are 100% correct the roller cam profiles of today are awsum. I remember those mushroom lifters. They were a pain to install and were a bad solution compaired to rollers. The new rollers are insane and have great profiles and NO WEEKEND ADJUSTMENTS. Remember those 30-30 duntovs. Noizy and every weekend adjustments. The new engineers are dead nuts on when it comes to performance. I also love the bar room car discussions. Only thing i always BUY funny how that works ?????????? Be good and thanks for the memories( i heard that in nam in 68) piece brother. By the way thats why the gen 3 is labeled the engine that GOD touched. They are awsum
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Chandler tomorrow is dyno day for billy jack. I drove him today and he is beyond sanity. Sligntly boggy at low rpm's and lacks some torque on the bottom. I think a 4.10 is a definate. But over 3000 its a saturn 5. Top end is out of this world. Its a sick setup DUDE.I will keep you posted.
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Yeah, I'm not surprised that it's a little sleepy down low. That's a nasty cam. Depending on how bad it is, you might play around with cam timing to shift the power band down a bit. You'll lose some off the top, but how much time do you really plan to spend with the needle on that side of the tach? The 4.10's will really help spin it up. What gear is in it now?

What's the compression recommendation for that cam? 10:1 or better? Thinking harder about it, what's the piston to valve clearance with the cam installed where it is? Is there even enough room to move it a couple of degrees?

I was going to argue with you about the age comment until you mentioned 'Nam and '68. I turned 40 this year, you win. It's good that you're teaching Tom Jr. real appreciation. I was fortunate enough to have a similar upbringing.

I'm having a blast with all of this.
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Chandler you are a baby dude. I HAVE UNDERWEAR OLDER THAN YOU ha ha. Billy has 3.42 final and the CR is APP 10.25. I am definately going to mess with the cam timing. Its low end power is a little bleek. If we get some time today its off to the dyne. Always a pleasure DUDE. 40 are you kidding me thats a great age brother ENJOY IT
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