ok my dad brought up this topic the other day. whats the difference between the A4LD and the C4? he was saying they are pretty much the same? is he right?
and also i was looking at installing this in my car.... B&M Hammer Shifters - JEGS
and i see that it says for C4 trans. thats what got me curious.
any word of advice?
thanks
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I am not an expert on autos but i think the OD unit was added to the C4. I think this is what ford DID. A lot of early autos added OD to exhisting units. I will ask the ammco guy tomorrow at work. If anyone has the answer please chime in. Aside from the old 3 sped units C6 400 turbos ETC i am not very versed on the newer units. I AM A 5 OR 6 SPEED GUY. The C4 was a 3 speed unit and the A4LD was electronically controlled with a lockup torque converter. The C4 was much stronger than the A4LD because the extra gears were basically added to the C4 unit to make them the A4LD. Thanks for asking TOM.
No the C-4 is a differant build. The A4ld is a newer version of the c-3. As far as shifter. I know there is a difference in shift pattern [as far as notch at shifter handle. I ran into this when doing my change. I had to use the lower part of a c-4 shifter [earlier Mustang] and upper section [indicator area] to make it fit my console. I would call before ordering and make sure. History of Ford automatics. Baumann Engineering - A Brief History of Ford Automatic Transmissions
What my shifter looks like without the top cover piece. Just think Pinto/MustangII shifter with 89 Mustang top piece screwed to it. http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...5/100_6180.jpg
Write up on how I installed mine. Got alot of question on this forum so done writeup. c-4 behind a 2.3 - FoxBodyForum.com
Maurice
Thanks 75 i thought at one point it was a toyota unit. But i think that was the jeep tranny. Like i said i am not very good on autos. Thanks for clearing that up. I dont like to give out bad info. But somewhere in my mind i thought the A4LD was a modified C4. So its a modified C3. I know the C3 came in a pinto. I had a 1974 2.3 pinto and it had a C4. I remember i had to adjust the bands. My pinto was one of the first 2.3 powered ones on the east coast. I found out just how bad the early 2.3 motors were. It developed a piston slap in 10,000 miles. I then came up with the repair on the engine and FORD beat a path to my shop. In 1976 ford recalled all the 2.3 fords for my rod mod update. And here we are today. You might say i saved the 2.3 ford. Ford had so many problems with piston oiling in the first engines they were going to scrap it. I have all the original prints i drew for the mod. Thanks TOM
I thought I read one of your post about the oiling. Strage thing my 2.3 c-4 came out of a MustangII. But it may have been a transpant from a Pinto. I bought it sitting in a barn. Car long gone. Thanks Maurice
thank you guy. i was just getting ready to say that shifter looked weird till i read your write up about how you scratched off OD haha. no i have another question since you have answered my question about the C4 & A4LD. im gonna start a project this winter with a 1966 Mustang 289 engine. do you know if its possible to bolt the 289 to the A4LD. just as a temporary thing. not going to be dogging on it and driving it like a bat outta hell.
you know so i can just get it in the car and work with it etc etc. because resouces are kinda scarce over my way (junk yard, pick and pull etc) they scrapped everything when the rising steel prices went up.
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75 (welder dude) i am pritty shure it was a C4 i actually installed a shift kit in it. It used to churp the gears during a shift. Like i said if its not a 350 turbo or torque flite or a C6 i am lost. Thanks tom. I guess you have read my posts on other sites. Some of those other dudes are real cold if you know what i mean. I like this site the best. The guys are alot nicer and well mannered as far as i am concerned. Thanks and cant wait to see that MORRIS 2.3 swap Peace tom
Can build a c-4 to the max. Shift kit etc all available. Huber has one in his car. He probably has more in his trans than I have in entire car. 66 Mustang awesome. Was what my wife wanted. Couldn't find nothing but expensive rust around here. 289 should be able to go c-4. Best to go over to the Classic [that year Mustang forum] section and ask. I just don't know they would.
Edit. I agree Tom Renzo some forums I am on. You got to be careful how you word something. Either tick someone off, ask a question all ready asked. [Search is good if know what words to type in] or disagree with norm. That is reason you will notice lot of times I backup what I say with a link for proof. Takes more time and effort but keeps me from putting my foot in my mouth. Thanks everyone. Maurice
thank you guys. agreed. thats why i love this forum. its nice and easy going and people actually help. dont chew you out for asking.
thanks chandler.
ok well let me throw another quetsion out there then. my dad has an 87? ranger that had my 2.3 (whats in my car now) bolted to it and it was a 4 speeder. it had the hyd. clutch (not cable driven) think that could be a possibility? to work with?
hmm.... you know i just thought of something else..... my dad has 3 mustang II's .... i wonder if the god ol 3 speed or the... wait i think one has a C4 in it!
i just hope its not to far gone now... =[
by the way... its gonna be a show car. nothing to race.
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Aside from the automatics, none of the Ranger transmissions will fit properly in a Mustang. There are a handful of differences, one of them being the position of the shifter. Put that trans in a Mustang, and you'll be reaching through the A/C vents to get to the shifter. Likewise, throw a T5 in a Ranger, and you'll kill your elbows reaching back for the shifter unless it's an extended cab, then you can just let the poor soul in the back do the shifting.
That being said, a hydraulic clutch can be done. You'll need the pedal set. bellhousing, clutch master and slave out of an 87 or 88 Turbo Coupe, A little tweak at the firewall to mount the clutch master cylinder, and you're in bidness.
Remember, anything is possible, it's just not always practical or feasible.
haha i like the way you put it. adds humor to it
ok then. well thanks for the input then guys. looks like ill have to be scrounging around to find a C4 then
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Check those MustangII posible to have c-4. Mine came out of one. That would get you the proper bellhousing. Whether 2.3 or 2.0. Read the posting a few up on putting a c-4 in a 2.3 should help. May want to look at trans carefully they did use c-3 during that time also. Going from memory [Good luck] Had a W code in door post on label for trans. Here is page with differant trans that may help identifiy it. Ford Ranger Automatic Transmission Identification
Maurice
hey tom ive got a question for ya. 
.... i wonder if the god ol 3 speed or the... wait i think one has a C4 in it! 
