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How much hp can the stock c3 transmission take before it goes? and what mods will have to be done to it to make it stronger?
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c-3 I would say 200 to 250. I thew 2 away 2 weeks ago.
TurboFord.net Forums: C3 questions
TurboFord.net Forums: C3 transmission questions
May want to do search there I did. I put in " c-3" and got got several things. Look yourself may help. Search works even for non members. Maurice
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Thanks for the info. Why did u throw 2 away? Are they that bad?
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Sort of. Both front seals leaked. But they shifted perfect. I tried both in my car before I got the c-4. I tried to give away to a Merkur person for over a year. He had 2 cars with bad c-3. He wouldn't even drive the 4 miles from his work place to get them. So I got scrap metal price for them.
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Ahh that sucks. So its not possible for the c3 to take 300 hp?
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i would def. take the c-4 if your going with that much hp. c3's werent really built for that.
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yea i was thinking of going for the c4 but i dont have enough money for the tranny and the parts for it. Thats why im hoping i can beef up my c3.
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good luck to you on that. c3's are pretty much dead technology. do they even still make parts for them? and i know c4's are "dead technology" also but they are still in wide use for many things. racing, driving, etc.

check craiglist for a c4. i looked on there the other day and i saw one that a guy wanted to get rid of with a converter for 100 bucks.
( i need to get one for my 289....)
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we have 450 hp on our c4 and it works very well. just not great for rpm on the highway.
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exactly haha. they hold tremendous amounts of power. just not to gas friendly haha.
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Alright. I looked on craigslist and this guy is selling it for 350 near my area. To do the swap what parts to i need and what year transmission can i use? i know there are some differences between the 73-78 etc.
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now this one is a step above me, but MG MAN has already done this swap. ( in his 89 though) but he said he needed a mustang II driveshaft, (or a cut shaft) and.... shoot i cant remember what else he said.

wait for MG MAN to come answer or help you with this one.
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Need a rare 2.3 c-4 bellhousing or 2.0 c-4 bellhousing. t-5 driveshaft will work. Here is writeup.
am running a c-4 behind my 2.3 turbo. This is my experience on installing a c-4 behind my 2.3 turbo in a 89 Mustang. Some of this is basic info all know. But since putting in FAQ thought I would mention all of it.
Going from A4ld to c-4. First A4LD bellhousing is useless and so is driveshaft. C-3 Bellhousing is not useful either.
The sheet metal plate between motor and trans can be reused. I took this plate with me to find the 2 transmission I found that had the proper bellhousing. I just laid against the bellhousing to confirm fit.
Flexplate need to be a c-4 one from a Pinto. Around the years of 1974 to 78 not sure on years.
Bellhousing will carry a casting number of D42F7976AA. Also from those years. This can be a hard to find expensive things. Hint look at old pile of trans unlabeled in old junk buses. This is how I found one of mine.
http://mmerlinn.bravehost.com/trans/fdc4f/fd6c4bhm.htm
http://mmerlinn.bravehost.com/pics/fdc4f/f71pc4f.htm
There is a c-4 2.0 bellhousing unsure of part number with that will need stepdown dowels. Do a search here, there is someone here that makes them. Remember reading in a post. Stinger has a adapter plate to use a 5.0 bellhousing. Contact him for more info. http://www.stinger-performance.com/suspensionparts.html
On the torque convertor I am using a stock stall Pinto convertor. Some with more HP are using custom stall ones. This varies from what I read according to when turbo spools up. So can not give advice on it.
The proper c-4 is a case fill c-4.
Rear trans mount is stock c-4 for a Mustang. Your crossmember will work.
The vac line from the A4LD will work and hook up to the modulator on the c-4
The A4LD trans lines will work. One of them will need to be extended about 1 foot. Flush the lines. If using rubber lines make sure rated for hi-pressure. I used steel line.
Speedometer will fit the trans.
Your A4ld shifter will not work. It is not gated properly. Will need a c-4 shifter from early Mustang with c-4 or Pinto. Can modify it to fit console on later Mustangs. I removed the upper indicator. Ground mounts off and dismantle indicator removed the OD symbol. And lined up and mounted with self starting screws to the c-4 shifter. http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/mgman75/100_6180.jpg Notice OD section is gone.
Or can order performance type c-4 shifter.
Kiddown on the shifter. Since c-4 was never behind a EFI 2.3. None is available. I took a A4LD cable and modified to fit the c-4 but never installed. Mine downshifts without it so I never installed.
The driveshaft. I used a Ford Motorsport driveshaft for a t-5-c-4. Or can use a t-5 driveshaft.
On wiring there is 2 plugs on the A4LD. A round one and another. The 2 wire one is not used and can be tied out of the way. The round plug has the wiring for the neutral switch and backup lights. Will need the wiring diagram for your car and for the c-4 switch to fiqure out. I will look for how I fiqured it out and post later.
Lastly you are now running a 3 speed instead of 4 speed trans. RPM with the 373 gears in stock rearend with kill fuel economy. I install a 345 turbocoupe rearend that suits my applicatiion.
Since more than likely like me the trans will not come with dipstick. I ordered a c-4 v-8 from Summit. Only one I could find. It is chrome. Mock into trans and make a bracket to make it reach the trans. It come with a clamp. When you got it where you want. Make sure have pressure on it so will stay in trans. Weld or braze clamp to tube. Remove the chrome where it goes in trans. Add a o-ring and some red silicone. The reason I mention this is it caused me alot grief. Tube would move and leak trans fluid before I removed it and done this procedure. Since I have done this no problems.
Thanks Maurice
I know cut and paste but I am not rewriting this. Maurice
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VERY GOOD WRITE UP MG MAN!!!!
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