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Lincoln Mark VII: BRAKE SWAP

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I have found an interesting Lincoln Mark VII that a guy is completely parting out and I want to switch to a 5-lug set-up and get better braking with bigger rotors and rear disc brakes. Switching to 5-Lug will also help by giving me a better selection of wheels to choose from.

The only problem that I can see occuring is the fact that the brakes are setup with an ABS system. How could I go about changing it to a non-ABS system? Or would it be really hard to incorporate the existing ABS system into the Mustang?

Parts that I am going to need for the swap:


-front rotors (5-Lug!)
-steering knuckles (will these knuckles fit on my balljoints?)
-brake calipers
-rear rotors
-emergency brake lines
-rear calipers
-rear caliper mounting bracket (probably have to weld onto axle housing?)
-rear axle-shafts (5-Lug!) [note: I already have the 8.8" axle housing]


Am I missing anything from the parts list?

Anybody feel free to chime in and give me your thoughts and suggestions on the brake conversion even if you have not had experience with it before (your thoughts are always valued in this thread!).

Thanks, Steve
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Update: Just found out that the lincoln rear end is the same width as the TC rear end... This means that the axle shafts will not work in my 5.0 8.8" rear end... Maybe I will look into buying the rear end as well... If only I had money...

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The Mark VII having ABS shouldn't stop you. The front will have the ABS reluctor ring and sensor on each corner, it'll just have no place to go on the Mustang. Remove and stash or toss the sensor. Did they have 4-wheel ABS?

Out back they put the reluctor ring on the ring gear inside the differential. Since you're budget won't let you take the rear axle (I feel your pain), it won't be a factor. I thought the rear caliper bracket bolted on at the housing ends, or am I thinking of the aftermarket brackets? Either way might save you some welding.

Up front the Mark VII stuff is SVO stuff (or vice-versa) They shared the same parts bins. I don't know if that translates to a difference in ball joints compared to the other Foxes. There might be a strut fitment issue. The lower bracket that attaches to the spindle is narrower on 4 cyl setups than the V8. You can use V8 struts on 4 cyl spindles, but you won't be able to fit a 4 cyl strut bracket onto a V8 spindle. Didn't you just replace a bunch of front end stuff? Dammit man.

Nice find BTW
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Here is some camparative stuff WRT the SVO. If you know the differences on what you have to the SVO, then it will pan out.

The front brakes (calipers, rotors and hardware) bolt right onto the SVO . The Lincoln Mark VII spindles also bolt right up to the SVO ball joints. The SVO Konis will also bolt on to the Lincoln spindles (the Lincoln spindles are NOT the same as the lesser Foxes of the same era) . The SVO spindles were borrowed from Lincoln. The Mark VII Lincoln uses the same diameter ball joint shaft (though not the same ball joint) that fits the SVO.

The front lower control arms and the rear lower arms on the Lincoln Mark VII (set up for air bags vise springs) are completly different from the SVO and will not work. The SVO lower control arms were sourced from the 82-84 Lincoln Continental (also a fox body) that used springs and had four square non-aero headlights. Later Continentals had airbags like the Mark and the arms don't fit the SVO.


The rear axle housing has slightly different mounts for the arms and stuff, but the axles and dics brakes on the rear will interchange with the SVO. If the Mark VII is an 88-92 LSC model it has an 8.8 with a 3:24 traclok.

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Sorry I never replied to this thread guys, but thanks for the good info. The guy who was selling the parts of that car (FYI the one in the picture is not the actual car, it's just a pic off the internet) never got back to me after I phoned him the first time. And it sounded like he didn't have half the parts I needed anyways.

So for a while I changed my plans and thought I was going to stick with the 4-lug and try to switch to TC brakes... As I was going to pick up an entire running TC a little while ago for $1000, but then my finances went to a ton of tools that I bought for my garage, so I couldn't even afford the TC.

So I have been searching high and low for parts cars... AND I FOUND THE JACKPOT!!!

1994-1998 FORD MUSTANG PARTS ALL KINDS! - Winnipeg Auto Body Parts For Sale - Kijiji Winnipeg

A 1994 V6 and a 1995 V6 that are both front end collision victims. If the guy is willing to part with the brakes for a reasonable price, I will have everything I need for a really decent brake upgrade (and a 5-lug swap).

Here is a list of parts that I gathered off this AMAZING website: 87-93* Ford Fox Body Mustang Brake Upgrades

LIST OF PARTS NEEDED (everything in bold is found on either of those mustangs):

Front Brake Parts:
94-present Gt/V6 10.84" rotors (2)
94-98 GT/V6 calipers (2)
94-98 Gt/V6caliper brackets (2)
spindle to caliper bracket bolts (4): N805163-S190
1994+ spindles (2)
Hubs (2)
hub nut(2)
dust cap(2)
dust shields (2)

SN95 brake lines with Adapter
Sn95 balljoints (2)

Rear brake parts (stock track for 79-93):
driver side Ranger axles or passenger side Aerostar axles (2)
rear rotors (2)
sn95 calipers(2)
soft brake lines (2)
brake pads (1 set)

North RaceCar brackets (2) or make my own or utilize the 94-95 brackets???
FMS M2809A ebrake cables for 87-92 car (2) - or 93 Cobra cables for 1993 cars (2) F3ZZ-2A635-A
FMS M2810A center ebrake cable (1)
adapter from softline to hard lines (2)
Master Cylinder (2 port adapter needed) - (metric threads) 1 1/16" bore, stock plug in for the low fluid sensor


Now all I am worrying about is the E-brake cables. I think I might go get the 1993 cobra E-brake cables if they don't cost a fortune. I am not sure how the 94-95 E-brake cables work, so I will definately have to do some researching to see if they will fit. Maybe if I steal the E-brake handle too? Not too sure???

Also, in the JY I have seen numerous (like 50) Rangers and Aerostars to steal the 5-lug axles out of.

Give me your thoughts, Steve

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Good News people! I talked to the guy parting out those stangs... it turns out he has everything I need still intact on the car! AND HE IS SELLING IT FOR CHEAP!!!

He told me $200 for all those brake parts and 4 wheels that all hold air (btw, this is well within my tight budget). I am getting a new set of wheels anyways, but I do need a set to roll the old stang around on for the time being. So things are looking up!

I do have one question for a suspension "expert": How can you tell if a ball joint is in good condition or not? Because I am going to be pulling the ball joints off the SN95 and if they are in good shape, then I'll use them instead of those MOOG ones that I just bought (and already installed, lol) a few months ago. If they are in crappy shape, then I will probably have to find a sleeve to slip over the MOOG ball joint to accomodate the newer spindle.

One more question: Does anybody know if the stock 2.3 rack and pinion will work with the SN95 spindles?

One last question: Does anybody know how the emergency brakes work on a rear wheel disc brake car and what is needed other than the long emergency brake cables themselves? for instance, can I use the stock 1990 12" 'Y' Cable that connects to E-brake handle?

Thanks Guys, I am pretty excited to get all my parts off this car on the weekend.

Steve

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I figured out the details in the parking brake deal.

Go to page 15 at this link: http://www.fordracingparts.com/downl...htM-2300-K.pdf

If yer interested that is, lol.

I have yet to find an SN95 brake write-up on AFM.

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