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Question ford 2.3 turbo with volvo head swap?!?!

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Im thinkin of doin the b234 dohc head swap...i have read a couple small articles about this and im interested...has anybody done this swap or have some more info on it?? i am a tech and usually can do all of my own work but i dont have the resources to do this and not creative enough for the custom fab...anybody willing to help or do this for me??? thanks guys
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I think there might be one still up on ebay but this guy sells an already modified head that you can "slap on" thing is you still need:
A. fab or find an intake and exhaust manifold.
B. Figure out how to tension the belts etc.
C. I think someone said you have to get new valves too because the stock ones aren't strong enough?

IMHO if money isnt an issue. which it usually is... I'd go for a decked out Boport head for 2000. The specs on it are pretty nice plus Boport sell's some pretty sweet stuff. It is expensive but you are getting quality. All in all, the Volvo head swap is a great idea, but for the average or semi average joe, it's not really necessary unless we are shooting for big hp. Even then I'd stick with a SOHC.

Does turn out pretty flippin sweet though!!!

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I would suggest doing a lot of search and compiling info. Not for the faint of heart. Custom piston $ and modify stock ones. Volvo valves etc not cheap. Then add the custom intake etc. $. Done a search at turboford and this is what I found. May also need to do a search and just use "volvo"
TurboFord.net Forums: Search Results
Here is some links I saved. First one pretty good.
Ford 2.3L - Volvo 16 valve head conversion - Minnesota Sport Compacts Forums
TurboFord.net Forums: Folvo Head progress
TurboFord.net Forums: Photo's of8V Volvo intake on 16V Head Using Yoshi Adapter
Here is link to my photobucket. I have had 2 of these head. Sold one and keep one. I also have a SOHC head. That is one I am thinking of. It doesn't need pistons, or valves. Since it is a turbo head off a volvo.
Volvo head pictures by mgman75 - Photobucket
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You know what I don't understand; why do people not just use the entire Volvo engine and managment system? It would make using the 16V platform so much easier to deal with... would it not?

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Stupid question here, but, isnt the volvo/penta boat motor based on the ford 2.3?
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I guess the reason no one installed the entire Volvo drivetrain is the DOHC is not a turbo engine so engine management etc would have to changed. Also the engine is tilted toward the passenger side. I would think this would cause some problems with placement of turbo. Would still need custom pistons and valves since Volvo is not turbo. I had a video of a Volvo dohc but didn't save it it was impressive. Picture of Volvo dohc in the volvo body. Maurice
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Stupid question here, but, isnt the volvo/penta boat motor based on the ford 2.3?

It's not "based on" it IS one. It's also not the only engine used in front of VP outdrives. That relationship doesn't really help in the parts interchangeability dept.
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You know what I don't understand; why do people not just use the entire Volvo engine and managment system? It would make using the 16V platform so much easier to deal with... would it not?

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I think it just changes the scope of the project.

With the head swap, you have to fab up manifolds, change some valvetrain timing parts, Either modify the block or the head, Flycut the pistons for valve reliefs and add some sort of management system. Doesn't sound like alot, but it is.

To drop a complete Volvo engine into the car you're looking at engine mounts, Transmission adaptation. (which way ya wanna go? Volvo or Ford? Different can of worms waiting to be opened for each) Clutch linkage adaptation (An automatic may not be any easier depending on which one you use). Want A/C? Power Steering? All that stuff now has to be adapted. Probably easier to use the Volvo accessories so no fabrication, but there will be some plumbing. Oh yeah, and you're gonna have to go through the engine if you plan to hang a turbo off the side. The B234F never had a production turbocharger. Cast Piston ashtrays for your 4 best buds this Christmas!! Remember how I said the head swap didn't sound like a lot but it was? I was just as vague with the engine swap as I was with the head swap.
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I think it just changes the scope of the project.

With the head swap, you have to fab up manifolds, change some valvetrain timing parts, Either modify the block or the head, Flycut the pistons for valve reliefs and add some sort of management system. Doesn't sound like alot, but it is.

To drop a complete Volvo engine into the car you're looking at engine mounts, Transmission adaptation. (which way ya wanna go? Volvo or Ford? Different can of worms waiting to be opened for each) Clutch linkage adaptation (An automatic may not be any easier depending on which one you use). Want A/C? Power Steering? All that stuff now has to be adapted. Probably easier to use the Volvo accessories so no fabrication, but there will be some plumbing. Oh yeah, and you're gonna have to go through the engine if you plan to hang a turbo off the side. The B234F never had a production turbocharger. Cast Piston ashtrays for your 4 best buds this Christmas!! Remember how I said the head swap didn't sound like a lot but it was? I was just as vague with the engine swap as I was with the head swap.
Okay, so basically, doing the entire swap is much harder then... I thought it would be easier, but obviously not.

Here is a real volvo with the 2.3 16V and a turbo in a brick. It has the turned engine and they managed to fit the turbo in front on the passenger's side of the engine:

And then also there is some SWEET DRIFTING too!

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That is the one I thinking of. Of course everyone knows what the cost of performance volvo parts would be in USA. Here is site with some parts. Now that motor in a Mustang with weight advantage. But the flak from doing it. Maurice
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Steve sweet vidio makes me want anouther 740
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Yeah... I am not really into 4 door vehicles, but that one makes my books. I have actually been thinking of building a 2-door brick for my dad. He absolutely adores older volvos.

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yea volvos are really nice. people drop the 16v on what would be a 8v turbo motor. volvo to volvo and they run great. but the problem with the volvo motor the 16v is on is its weaksauce. thin walls weak rods and pistons so you need a stronger bottom end. hence the 2.3 and when they figured out the bore spacing was similar...it was all down hill from there.

rrrrreeeeaaaddddd iiiinnntttoooo iiiiitttttt. lots of info out there because its not like bolting on a header. or just slapping some misc part on. lots of work involved. good luck if you try it.
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im sure this has come up before but...
Im thinkin of doin the b234 dohc head swap...i have read a couple small articles about this and im interested...has anybody done this swap or have some more info on it?? i am a tech and usually can do all of my own work but i dont have the resources to do this and not creative enough for the custom fab...anybody willing to help or do this for me??? thanks guys
There is a guy who works at PARKS parts - in North Charleston SC on River rd - call and ask eh?- in the mechanist department - he did one - it is on you tube - but I forget his name - nice guy -
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