procharger, dyno graph right here. Once I get my F1 this will be what my dyno sheet should look like. that was also on 93 pump gas.
I'll be looking forward to seeing yours when you have one. Although there is no RPM data on this chart, which is at the heart of what I am talking about, I notice this one doesn't have that instant full torque my TS has. It doesn't even begin to really start making it's potential torque until well after 80 MPH, whatever RPM that might be.
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2005 Mustang GT with 04 Cobra iron block, 300 ci, Kenne Bell 2.6l twin screw, P&P S3 Heads, SS valves, Comp S3 cams, Currie 9+ 9" rear end and DS (coming soon), Hurst shifter, BMR K-member, A-arms, LCAs & UCA, JBA long tubes & mid-pipe, Accel COPs, GT500 fuel pumps, much more... 659 RWHP, 598 Tq @ 12 psi & 5800 RPM
I'll be looking forward to seeing yours when you have one. Although there is no RPM data on this chart, which is at the heart of what I am talking about, I notice this one doesn't have that instant full torque my TS has. It doesn't even begin to really start making it's potential torque until well after 80 MPH, whatever RPM that might be.
80 mph is probably around 3k ish that car will run a 9.6 on pump gas. I dont think it is possible for any KB to pull a 9.6 on pump gas. If you know of any please show me.
Also if you want to compare apples to apples then my system is far to small to be compared to your 2.6L your 2.6 is closer to a D1SC and mine is closer to a 2.4 or Smaller. The max HP ever seen on a P1SC is 630ish on pump gas so it is impossible, but with a D1SC 700+ is possible on pump gas which is comparable to your 2.6L
And Shadow when you read this, do you know if a bypass valve or a Blow off valve have any real differences? i have a bypass and i kinda wish i could hear the pressue being released but if its just a sound thing and has no other benefit i guess i wouldn't do the switch
Just a sound thing for street/strip type systems. Blowoff valve isn't needed until you start pushing much higher boost numbers.
This is the last thing I'm going to say on this issue so........
5twenty: You are, by far, the most annoying, self-righteous, over-zealous loud mouth I have ever witnessed on a message board. You love your twin screw.....great. We can all see that you are righteous in your belief that it is technologically superior to anything else on the planet and anyone who disagrees with you is an outright dolt. I'm already sick of watching your drivel being shoved down everyone's throats. You have some half-azzed technical points that you are convinced are the gospel and you climb up on your twin screw alter and shout them to the masses. Your incessant ranting over your precious dyno sheets is yet another thing that brings about a gag reflex. I really hope you have that sucker framed so you don't smear it with all the drool you seem to produce when talking about it.
Still haven't seen that timeslip you promised either. Until then....I've posted one with my 10.88 at 127.89. Just a little old pissant twin turbo system at 8 lbs of boost, ten degrees of timing on a dead stock 281" three valve with stock heads and cams.
It is clear that nobody can even begin to alter your views concerning the superiority of your twin screw supercharger. I suppose the rest of us technologically inferior beings should just bow to your infinite wisdom and follow your lead into the horsepower promised land.
Personally, I believe you're just another self-righteous jackass who could really use an inoperable brain tumor.
If this rant has offended anyone besides the intended target I do apologize. I'm done with this one. Should the ostentatious "5twenty" ever decide to come down out of the rainy northwest.......I'll be waiting in the staging lanes.
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'07 Mustang GT - Heritage GT Twin Turbo System 10.88 - 127.89 mph
I really have no desire to post any further information about the build of my car, just because my car is not built for the street so I have no desire to even have or need instant torque due to only racing on the track. I do not feel like hearing or getting into any more arguments over which system is better or worse. Turbo, Centrifugal and Twin Screw are all great systems to buy. I am sorry there has yet to be ANY Twin Screw that can match the power of a Centrifugal or a Turbo.
For drag racing there is nothing to compare to a procharger or turbo. Prochargers have superchargers that are capable of creating 825hp (flywheel) P1SC on Race Gas to 2700hp (flywheel) F1-3R on Race Gas and a Turbo is just as capable of producing exactly that but more effecient.
Every different application has its ups and downs. The running temperature on a Cent. is the best out of all the systems. They are capable of being driven daily with out ever reaching boost through town. I have noticed compared to my old whipple that on the street I have no traction issues with my Procharger and yes on the street I do believe my Procharger would smoke my truck that had a whipple (750rwhp+ Truck) just because of the traction issues on the street I would have to feather the gas to much to even hook up, even with street slicks on my old silverado SS (at the track it ran a 11.3 with a full size truck and full stereo that weight 300lbs) on the street the truck was worthless because of traction issues. Now due note that a truck and mustang are two different applications, however my buddy who got me turned onto Prochargers had a F1 in his truck and he would WORK me on the street and the track just solely due to tire spin.
That is why I prefer a Centrifugal. I personally do not car for instant power when I only track race and launch at higher RPM's where my Procharger is all ready creating torque and boost. On the street my car is a show car I ride slow just for show There is no need to rip down the street like the kids in high school do and give my self added attention. Sure I may take it to a country road or the end of a high way to show a buddy the power of my car but to me the question is why do you need that much torque on the street if your not into street racing? Cause you want to go from 35 -80 in a second while in 4th gear? There is no need to have to drive that fast in my mind on any public street.
Now if you just prefer a system over all the other systems thats great. Just as I prefer my ride over any one else's as well. There is no system that is superior on ANY street application over any supercharger. They are ALL personal preference.
A Turbo is GREAT for the track because you can run your car at 20psi at the track and then run it at 10psi on the street by taking advantage of a boost controller and a wastegate. This way you do not have to drive around with 18psi and pump gas at all times. You can have a extremely safe 10psi which is great on pump and then a 20psi for the track. Where as for me there is no way I can put 20psi on pump gas on my supercharger it will need race fuel and I would have to swap belts and pulleys and change my tune just to get to a 12psi tune for the street.
Twinscrew's run hot as it is as well. Where I live when it gets to 106 on a cool day in the summer my S/C would get extremely hot and at times I would not even want to drive my truck because of that. With my mustang my S/C stays really cool during the summer and has no heat issues at all. That was another deciding factor for me as well.
I can careless what other systems people buy its not going to hurt my feelings. If you read allot of my posts I rarely tell people to buy prochargers. I see what they want and tell them what would be the best application for them. If they want a centrifugal s/c I never tell them procharger is better or this or that. I just tell them to do some research on the flow rates and the inductions sizes on the supercharger units.
Now my opinion if I were to get a twinscrew it would be a Whipple hands down. There 3.4L is insane and a great S/C.
But if I can do it all over again I would get a custom T-80 Turbo Setup. Having a car that will run 700rwhp on pump and 1000rwhp on race gas is amazing.
This is my last post of stating my opinions about any FI induction. I plan to stay out of all the FI threads unless they are Procharger Tech Related because all these arguments about which is better is extremely annoying.
In that case you made the correct choice in going turbo. Most of us here drive their cars on the street for the majority of their miles and for those folks, a twin screw is a better choice.
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2005 Mustang GT with 04 Cobra iron block, 300 ci, Kenne Bell 2.6l twin screw, P&P S3 Heads, SS valves, Comp S3 cams, Currie 9+ 9" rear end and DS (coming soon), Hurst shifter, BMR K-member, A-arms, LCAs & UCA, JBA long tubes & mid-pipe, Accel COPs, GT500 fuel pumps, much more... 659 RWHP, 598 Tq @ 12 psi & 5800 RPM
It is clear that nobody can even begin to alter your views concerning the superiority of your twin screw supercharger.
Well, isn't that the pot calling the kettle black.
That's because facts are facts. You can't dispute them so you cry and say I am annoying. I am annoying to you because I remind you of the limitations your turbo has. I have only stated facts. It's the facts that truly annoy you.
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2005 Mustang GT with 04 Cobra iron block, 300 ci, Kenne Bell 2.6l twin screw, P&P S3 Heads, SS valves, Comp S3 cams, Currie 9+ 9" rear end and DS (coming soon), Hurst shifter, BMR K-member, A-arms, LCAs & UCA, JBA long tubes & mid-pipe, Accel COPs, GT500 fuel pumps, much more... 659 RWHP, 598 Tq @ 12 psi & 5800 RPM
In that case you made the correct choice in going turbo. Most of us here drive their cars on the street for the majority of their miles and for those folks, a twin screw is a better choice.
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Then you have made the correct choice by going turbo.
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Then you have made the correct choice by going turbo.
he didn't go turbo... he has a supercharger
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2006 V6 Pony Package Premium -Mods: 61mm Powerhouse Turbo and Intercooler, Evolution Dyno Tune(Jon Lund), Steeda Performance Shorty Headers. Current Numbers: 350 rwhp/420 torque @ 8.3 psi (low boost)
415 rwhp/470 torque @12 psi Car died 6/23/09
New Set Up: 4.6 3v With Manual Trans, Bolt Ons
ok, just saying, he didn't go turbo, he wishes he went turbo though
Yeah i do wish I would of went turbo. I was just reading the new 5.0 and on the KOT's challenge they have this 900rwhp TT Cobra which was sick.
Its just to bad the cost to install a turbo is so much or I would do it right now I have the money for the system but the cost to remove mine and install a new one and tune all over again would not make sense. So I think I am going to just hunt for a used F1 head unit and send it back to procharger to get rebuilt and that should be enough to hit the 800 range on pump gas. SNOW also is coming out with a fail safe system (I hated meth before now) that will load in a different tune into your car if the sensors sense any change in the spray
One way or another I will have my 9 second time slip on a street car
There is no need to rip down the street like the kids in high school do and give my self added attention. Sure I may take it to a country road or the end of a high way to show a buddy the power of my car but to me the question is why do you need that much torque on the street if your not into street racing? Cause you want to go from 35 -80 in a second while in 4th gear? There is no need to have to drive that fast in my mind on any public street. 
I have the money for the system but the cost to remove mine and install a new one and tune all over again would not make sense. So I think I am going to just hunt for a used F1 head unit and send it back to procharger to get rebuilt and that should be enough to hit the 800 range on pump gas. SNOW also is coming out with a fail safe system (I hated meth before now) that will load in a different tune into your car if the sensors sense any change in the spray 
