[Troon2004]

For those of you who are not aware of this product or simply want an alternative to the standard DIY brake bleeding method (i.e., of "siphoning" brake fluid until there are no more air bubbles in the fluid stream), Motive Products makes a relatively inexpensive "power/pressure bleeding system" similar to what some dealerships/many race teams use.

Functionaly, the product/sequence is

(1) a 2.5-3 qt. container you fill with brake fluid, then
(2) attach with the appropriate adapter (supplied with the kit) to the master cylinder opening where fluid is filled, then
(3) pressurize by pumping the container up manually, and then
(4) use to bleed your brake system by opening each bleeder in the sequence required (i.e., RR, LR, FR, FL) until no more air bubbles emerge from each/all bleeders.

I personally used this product this past weekend to flush my system so I could fill it with Motul 5.1 fluid and the product performed FLAWLESSLy, allowing me to easily and quickly accomplish a task that is tedious at best and usually requires two people unless you use something like a Mighty Vac, which I used once with relatively poor results compared to the Motive product.

The Motive Product for the 2005+ Mustang GT is # 0108 ( http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/default.asp?CS=motive&StoreType=BtoC&Count1=183910 548&Count2=101050972 ) and can be purchased least expensively (so I found) at Racer Parts Wholesale ( http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/product/1634/Motive_Brake_Bleeders ) for $54.95 plus $8.95 lfat rate shipping (vs. $59.95 & roughly $12-15 shipping from Motive Products directly).

PLEASE NOTE:

The part you can purchase at JEGs for $24.95 (
http://www.jegs.com/i/Motive+Products/715/1108/10002/-1 ) is ONLY the adapter, NOT the entire kit (i.e., the "pressurizing bottle" that's required to make the system work).

PLEASE ALSO NOTE:

I would STRONGLY recommend that you obtain and install some form of "speed bleeder" BEFORE you begin the process of "power/pressure" bleeding your system (e.g., Russell makes a set of four "speed bleeders" for about $8.00; others sell them too). Doing so will make the bleeding process MUCH easier and you will NOT have to be concerned that any air is being "sucked back" into the line you're bleeding.

[travelers]

Very good info as always... But Ford recommends that you do not pressure bleed our system do to the anti-lock system. If you don't have it then your golden. If you do you need to use a evac type system... As for Fords manual.

[Big Top Gt]

I don't understand what external sensors mounted to the system have to do with bleeding the system.

The ABS system works by reading the indidual speed of each wheel through an external sensor.

With the exception of giving the computer control of the brakes through controlling pressure, I don't understand how one is related to the other.

(Unless they're saying there's some sort of internal valving that can get messed up. That's a different story.)

Thoughts?

[travelers]

Originally Posted by Big Top Gt

With the exception of giving the computer control of the brakes through controlling pressure, I don't understand how one is related to the other.

(Unless they're saying there's some sort of internal valving that can get messed up. That's a different story.)

Thoughts?

You answered your own question. the computer control the system and the internal valving will get messed up. Its in that alum. block just behind the drivers headlite. I've heard that is expensive to have it fixed or replaced..

Your right the sensors only give a signal then a wheel stops turning and needs to be released.

[Troon2004]

The only thing I can tell you is that I have had no check lights whatsoever and have the same - if not greater - level of braking as before.

[Troon2004]

Originally Posted by travelers

Very good info as always... But Ford recommends that you do not pressure bleed our system do to the anti-lock system. If you don't have it then your golden. If you do you need to use a evac type system... As for Fords manual.

I looked at my Manual before I did this and it says the following regarding bleeding (under section 2006-00-17):

"The hydraulic system [i.e., brake system] can be bled manually or with pressure bleeding equipment".

As such, I assumed there was - and is - no issue from pressure bleeding. I know that I've had no check lights since doing the bleeding uising my pressure bleeder.

[travelers]

Originally Posted by Troon2004

The only thing I can tell you is that I have had no check lights whatsoever and have the same - if not greater - level of braking as before.

Thats great because I was thinking of changing my brake fluid and was trying to decide on how to best to do it...But you know with my luck it will probable happen to me...

[Troon2004]

Originally Posted by travelers

Thats great because I was thinking of changing my brake fluid and was trying to decide on how to best to do it...But you know with my luck it will probable happen to me...

I'd highly recommend it Drew - mine was an absolute dream come true to do, especially after trying to do the evac method and having to constantly check it to make certain the reservoir wasn't emptying. That alone was worth the $60 to me.

Just to be certain though you might want to call te dealership to confirm that your model year can be pressure bled (I have an '08 and it may be different for prior years).

[MyLocalDJ]

I like this idea. I have always hated calling my wife out to help bleed brakes. For some reason, she never could quite get the concept of what I needed and would usually let off the brake too early on one wheel or the other.... lol.

[TheKurgan]

Originally Posted by MyLocalDJ

I like this idea. I have always hated calling my wife out to help bleed brakes. For some reason, she never could quite get the concept of what I needed and would usually let off the brake too early on one wheel or the other.... lol.

Speed bleeders alone will stop that. I bled mine when I changed out to SS lines and Brembo LCF600 and they work flawlessly on this brake system. No help needed. I just used a $5 resevoir with tube that I got at Autozone and pumped the brakes as usual.

This looks like an interesting tool for $60, but is putting that pressure directly on top of the master cylinder a good idea ? I dunno...

[travelers]

Originally Posted by Troon2004

I'd highly recommend it Drew - mine was an absolute dream come true to do, especially after trying to do the evac method and having to constantly check it to make certain the reservoir wasn't emptying. That alone was worth the $60 to me.

Just to be certain though you might want to call te dealership to confirm that your model year can be pressure bled (I have an '08 and it may be different for prior years).

I have the service DVD so I'll look at that just to be sure. What model did you get?? I could also go with lower pressure also. I did want to replace the speed bleeders.

[george06]

Originally Posted by travelers

I have the service DVD so I'll look at that just to be sure. What model did you get?? I could also go with lower pressure also. I did want to replace the speed bleeders.

Let me know what you find,as i have the speed bleeders and s/s hoses ready,i was just waiting for a pleasure bleeder and didnt know where to get one.Thank you

[Troon2004]

I got the 1108 Motive - its the one you want, NOT the 1107.

As to "pumping up the pressure on the master cylinder", I didn't have any issue with attaching the adapter to the reservoir and pumping it to 20 p.s.i. although I would recommend that you use the thicker of the two "pads" that come with the adapter to make certain you get a good seal.

Do be careful when you finish and take the attachment to the master cylinder off as it will be completely full and could spill if you aren't. What I did was to wrap the area around the master cylinder first so nothing would spill (especially on the driver's side exhaust header, which is right below).

Also, you may want to wrap the brake line bleeders - I used Russells - with teflon tape to be absolutely certain you have a good seal on them.

[booger]

Excellent info. Thanks for making me get yet another tool that will save headaches when bleeding my brakes.

[Troon2004]

Originally Posted by booger

Excellent info. Thanks for making me get yet another tool that will save headaches when bleeding my brakes.

You're welcome- this one actually works.