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Why not? It's more cost effective than longtubes which net about the same HP. A good set of longtubes is going to run the same price with much more intensive labor involved(and higher labor cost). Either way I'd get a dyno tune so to me they are equal mods but I get the sound with the cams.
Yeah, I suppose. But sound is last on the list for me when it comes to mods. If I wanted a good sound, I would have kept the cast iron manifolds on my car.
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Any Suggestions? code p0021

I have Thumpers stage 2 in my car,the computer just gave me code p0021.Anybody knows what it is,or how to fix it?
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I have Thumpers stage 2 in my car,the computer just gave me code p0021.Anybody knows what it is,or how to fix it?
Variable Cam control, Bank 2, timing over advanced.

I suspect you have phaser limiters and all your al tables ARE set for maximum advance of 20º Advance.

The ECU is advancing the cams past what they were calibration limited to. When it can it gets po'd and gives you the P0021. More or less, the limiters are not limiting enough.

Or, the cams did not adapt on start up. You could clear the code, leave the battery off for a couple hours and restart it. Allow it to idle for about 10 minutes.

Lastly, poor quality oil, and the ECU can not control the cam phasers due to large pressure fluctuations.
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Variable Cam control, Bank 2, timing over advanced.

I suspect you have phaser limiters and all your al tables ARE set for maximum advance of 20º Advance.

The ECU is advancing the cams past what they were calibration limited to. When it can it gets po'd and gives you the P0021. More or less, the limiters are not limiting enough.

Or, the cams did not adapt on start up. You could clear the code, leave the battery off for a couple hours and restart it. Allow it to idle for about 10 minutes.

Lastly, poor quality oil, and the ECU can not control the cam phasers due to large pressure fluctuations.
Thank you for your answer,when you said BANK 2 are you referring to the driver's side or passenger side?.I also e-mailed Doug at bama since i have his tune.Meanwhile i'll take the battery off.
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Bank 2 is passenger side.
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20HP and a kick ass sound is reason enough for me
I agree, i would love to put the NSR cams in ( need to talk to Alternative auto) for his opinion on them with the nitrous.I love the old school sound and would gladly pay for it. As for more hp, just up the shot and new dynotune.
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Please post the info you find out about nsr cams and nitrous because I think right nowI going to go N/A with nitrous instead of blower for now because of finacial limitations.
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I have Thumpers stage 2 in my car,the computer just gave me code p0021.Anybody knows what it is,or how to fix it?
Doug came trough as usual,today i received the new tune to take care of code p0021 and from the minute that i started the engine you could tell that this tune is an as-- kicker,the idle is around 900 rpm's and as 60's sound as possible with a very wicked sound.Thank you Doug
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george - you can probably drop that idle RPM back to around 750 to 800 without any adverse effect and get more lope out of it assuming that you want the old school cam sound. My tunes came at about 875 and I dropped them back without any problem. I ran 750 with the Hot Rod Cams N/A and 800 with the Hot Rod Cams with a twin screw Whipple.
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george - you can probably drop that idle RPM back to around 750 to 800 without any adverse effect and get more lope out of it assuming that you want the old school cam sound. My tunes came at about 875 and I dropped them back without any problem. I ran 750 with the Hot Rod Cams N/A and 800 with the Hot Rod Cams with a twin screw Whipple.
Idle is ok,apparently that 900 rpm's was with the engine cold right after i installed the tune.I just got back from the interstate and the idle is at 750,lots of power!! Good lope..
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Hey I contacted Comp cams which provide the NSR cams and they said it is safe to spray a up to a 200 shot of nitrous with the NSR cams incase anyone is interested. And you guys that bought the thumpr cams why would you pay over $800 for the sound just my thoughts my logic behind the NSR cams is to get 30RWHP for the price of about $600 on sale. and I am installing them so that's not bad. just incase you ask.
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Idle is ok,apparently that 900 rpm's was with the engine cold right after i installed the tune.I just got back from the interstate and the idle is at 750,lots of power!! Good lope..
The lower you go with the idle, the better the lope sound. I have my hot rods set at 740. I have been thinking about trying lower, but I'm not sure how low is too low.
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The lower you go with the idle, the better the lope sound. I have my hot rods set at 740. I have been thinking about trying lower, but I'm not sure how low is too low.
I don't know either,but you don't want to go so low that the engine may die on you,or the alternator wont charge the batt..
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I don't know either,but you don't want to go so low that the engine may die on you,or the alternator wont charge the batt..
... or not cool properly.
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The lower you go with the idle, the better the lope sound. I have my hot rods set at 740. I have been thinking about trying lower, but I'm not sure how low is too low.
With the old hot rods, I agree. With these late model mustangs, I am not sure we can go much lower. What typically happens with these cams is when you first press the clutch in to come to a stop, the idle will drop lower than the set point and then the computer will compensate by trying to bring it to the set point, often bouncing slightly a couple of times until it settles. I also have noticed a very slight difference in this cycle on very high humidity days (fog). The RPM drops initially a couple of hundred additional RPMs on the first drop. It does not happen always, just occasionally. (May be just my car.)
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