I am not to hung up on the numbers, like i said i bought these cams more for the sound. I hear the comp mutha thumprs put out more power but drivability suffers more with them as well. Overall i am happy with the cams, just a little suprised with the numbers. Long tubes and high flow cats are next i will let you know how much they help.
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+1000 As I've said before...Some tuners just don't know how to tune for them. Take it somewhere else with a tuner that knows what they are doing. Just because Tillman or some other tuner comes on here and tells you they don't make power, don't take it for gold. I've had their tune and was not impressed which is why I got it dyno tuned with much better results.
you're right kurgan some don't kno, but i guarantee tillman speed kno's. i challenge u to take your tune against chris's at the track, and remember yours is a dyno, to chris's mail order i bet it will be within a 1/10 or 2 if chris doesn't outrun it. chris's is just so right on it doesn't have the herks and jerks others do that make them feel more powerful,chris's is smooth power. but the track numbers will tell u what u need to kno.
also chris recomended the comps to me, i put the 127200 str8 drop in no hassle picked up 38 hp. 625.00 for the cams, got my ford mechanic to help me after hours i paid him 150.00. took us about 3hrs just messin around.
What makes you think everyone who buys an aftermarket cam is interested in track performance? I would wager 8/10 people here never get to the track...and if you want true power, get a custom grind to compliment your mods, engine and untimate goals...and sacrifice all your drivability.
The FRPP hotrod cam has a target audience and is doing quite well. Some people can not tune it that well I would assume, other do not make as much money selling them (as with all FRPP).
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you're right kurgan some don't kno, but i guarantee tillman speed kno's. i challenge u to take your tune against chris's at the track, and remember yours is a dyno, to chris's mail order i bet it will be within a 1/10 or 2 if chris doesn't outrun it. chris's is just so right on it doesn't have the herks and jerks others do that make them feel more powerful,chris's is smooth power. but the track numbers will tell u what u need to kno.
also chris recomended the comps to me, i put the 127200 str8 drop in no hassle picked up 38 hp with a dyno tune. 700.00 got my ford mechanic to help me after hours i paid him 150.00. took us about 3hrs just messin around.
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you're right kurgan some don't kno, but i guarantee tillman speed kno's. i challenge u to take your tune against chris's at the track, and remember yours is a dyno, to chris's mail order i bet it will be within a 1/10 or 2 if chris doesn't outrun it. chris's is just so right on it doesn't have the herks and jerks others do that make them feel more powerful,chris's is smooth power. but the track numbers will tell u what u need to kno.
also chris recomended the comps to me, i put the 127200 str8 drop in no hassle picked up 38 hp. 625.00 for the cams, got my ford mechanic to help me after hours i paid him 150.00. took us about 3hrs just messin around.
Everyone who has had their car long enough and has made modifications knows who to trust and who not to when it comes to tuning. I'm not going to sit here and bash anybody. I know what has worked for me and that's all that really matters. If you choose to not believe me, my tuner, Ford, or everyone else who has gained power with these, then what can I tell you that you don't already know ?
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I am not to hung up on the numbers, like i said i bought these cams more for the sound. I hear the comp mutha thumprs put out more power but drivability suffers more with them as well. Overall i am happy with the cams, just a little suprised with the numbers. Long tubes and high flow cats are next i will let you know how much they help.
Looking forward to seeing the difference with those mods. How soon till you do it?
What makes you think everyone who buys an aftermarket cam is interested in track performance? I would wager 8/10 people here never get to the track...and if you want true power, get a custom grind to compliment your mods, engine and untimate goals...and sacrifice all your drivability.
The FRPP hotrod cam has a target audience and is doing quite well. Some people can not tune it that well I would assume, other do not make as much money selling them (as with all FRPP).
i don't think or care if no 1 here goes to track, in this thread the guy put in cams and did'nt like the results hp wise. i was just confirming that for hp he put in the wrong cams
Everyone who has had their car long enough and has made modifications knows who to trust and who not to when it comes to tuning. I'm not going to sit here and bash anybody. I know what has worked for me and that's all that really matters. If you choose to not believe me, my tuner, Ford, or everyone else who has gained power with these, then what can I tell you that you don't already know ?
i'm not sayin i don't believe u i'm sayin go to track get real numbers. and i'm sayin i picked up 38 hp with comps and i will bet u didn't get 38 with hot rod cams. hot rods r more for sound so like vista blue said thats a different market.and my comps were cheaper and easier install.
and i'm workin on a sleeper, can't have that lope givin away my surprise.
IMHO I believe the dyno to be a more scientific method. Too many factors can influence your times at the track.
i'm lmao now . so we no longer going to race just show dyno slips???? youre right if the case is needing a driver mod, but no use gettin on a dyno if u need 1 those, all the hp cant help that .
numbers don't mean squat. It all depends on how the "seat of the pants" dyno feels, and if you are happy with it. Numbers are just for people to brag. Real men don't talk smack and just beat the snot outta the talkers at the track.
The FRPP Hot Rods cams are the cams that i am going to be getting installed in the distant future but i know full well to only expect a ~20 RWHP increase with them cause they are not the most powerful set on the market by far. The reason i want them is for the sound, that loopy idle.
They will net you next to nothing until you get a full dyno tuning session in and then it will unlock their power.
i'm lmao now . so we no longer going to race just show dyno slips???? youre right if the case is needing a driver mod, but no use gettin on a dyno if u need 1 those, all the hp cant help that .
the track numbers r all that matter who cares how much hp u have if u can't get it down the track or street or whatever.
This is an old debate. Suddenly you've switched context from which tuner is the best, to which cam gives more power, to who has the fastest car....just trying to stay on the subject. If you want to talk about who has the fastest car and best driver then just line 'em up at the track. Talk truly is useless for that.
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FRPP Hot Rod Cams 221/240 @.50” duration, 472/472 lift, 110 LSA
Looking at the specs above I wouldn't be too into the Hot Rod cams unless I had N2O. The LSA is way too tight for a decent "no race" idle and it has a lot of duration and overlap so it will be harder to tune and want to run better with the motor spining real fast. And you would need to get real lucky to get it running correctly without degreeing the cams.
The Comp Cams look a lot better for the task at hand and you could still get a chunky idle with the NSR Stage 2 plus it would make more power. And would be far easier to tue.
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