Sqidd, is the term 180 headers the one you was looking for, where they take the tubes and cross over the top of the engine? I used to be a tech and safety inspector at our local clay track back in the early 90's and you would see alot of those on circle track cars.
It won't be that loud especially at light load, it will be noticeably more authoritative when you open it up...by the way, shorties do suck and every Ford I've put long tubes on makes the car drive much better...Ferraris have long tube headers, what does that tell you? I'm sure you will be delighted in the outcome (not that it will be a Ferrari, but more of the sound a Mustang should have)
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Sqidd, is the term 180 headers the one you was looking for, where they take the tubes and cross over the top of the engine? I used to be a tech and safety inspector at our local clay track back in the early 90's and you would see alot of those on circle track cars.
Yeah, that's it. Thanks for the info. Those are super trick when it comes to V-8's. They just take up so much room that you don't see them on much aside from tube frame race cars, boats and rear engined stuff (GT-40's for example).
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Holy craptastic! 4 into 2 into 1 stepped headers on a car is rare. Someone paid the big bucks to have those made. The only way those could be cooler is if they were titanium and had that sweet blue and pink coloring that they turn when heated up real good.
Check out these “Nasty” (as in good) headers made of titanium. After these are run hard they will look even better. These are from a super trick big hp Skyline that makes 890hp on pump gas (it has a super narrow power band though)
If someone offered some nasty looking stepped and segmented headers even in stainless for a price even close to reasonable for the 3v 4.6 I doubt I would be able to resist.
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Holy craptastic! 4 into 2 into 1 stepped headers on a car is rare. Someone paid the big bucks to have those made. The only way those could be cooler is if they were titanium and had that sweet blue and pink coloring that they turn when heated up real good.
Check out these “Nasty” (as in good) headers made of titanium. After these are run hard they will look even better. These are from a super trick big hp Skyline that makes 890hp on pump gas (it has a super narrow power band though)
If someone offered some nasty looking stepped and segmented headers even in stainless for a price even close to reasonable for the 3v 4.6 I doubt I would be able to resist.
All of the “good” exhaust systems for motorcycles (Superbikes) are slip fit and held together with springs. Exhaust systems “grow” quite a bit when they get hot so the slip fit joints and springs allow it to do that without cracking the tubing which 10 years ago was a big problem. I imagine the bike systems get a lot hotter than the car systems do so percentage wise they probably grow more. It also makes them super easy to take apart. The bike exhaust systems also cost a fortune compared to car systems so in a sense I guess the money is “there” to pay for the slip fits, springs and spring mounts.
Imagine how easy it would be to install a set of long tubes in a S197 if all the tubes were separate, slipped together and then were held together with springs. You could probably get the headers on faster than you could get the stock stuff off. The headers would probably cost at least twice as much though, if not three times. They probably wouldn’t sell very well. As much as I would like a set I wouldn’t spend $3500 on a set of headers for my car. And that is probably what a set like that would cost.
The headers in that pic are most likely a one off set for that Skyline. The car looked like it probably had at least a couple hundred grand in it.
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Do the 2 headers meet together? The collectors look good. I like the collectors on the Kooks LT`S. Yea I can not spend 3500 on some tricked out headers myself. The way the S197`s Breath, is it going to give a lot more HP; going with a spring type titanium header? Yes it would not get as hot that is always a plus. The price of a Super charger is not far off of that. So yea.. not many people would be ponying up for them. Only the crazy rich, Id suppose. God knows I met a bunch of them today at the car show. I need to figure something out to relieve them of all there cash.
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All of the “good” exhaust systems for motorcycles (Superbikes) are slip fit and held together with springs. Exhaust systems “grow” quite a bit when they get hot so the slip fit joints and springs allow it to do that without cracking the tubing which 10 years ago was a big problem. I imagine the bike systems get a lot hotter than the car systems do so percentage wise they probably grow more. It also makes them super easy to take apart. The bike exhaust systems also cost a fortune compared to car systems so in a sense I guess the money is “there” to pay for the slip fits, springs and spring mounts.
Imagine how easy it would be to install a set of long tubes in a S197 if all the tubes were separate, slipped together and then were held together with springs. You could probably get the headers on faster than you could get the stock stuff off. The headers would probably cost at least twice as much though, if not three times. They probably wouldn’t sell very well. As much as I would like a set I wouldn’t spend $3500 on a set of headers for my car. And that is probably what a set like that would cost.
The headers in that pic are most likely a one off set for that Skyline. The car looked like it probably had at least a couple hundred grand in it.
That is pretty cool. And they hold without leaking?
180 headers give a V8 a sound all it's own. You could take a field of 25 cars on a circle track all running open headers and pick out the guy with 180's every time.
Yeah, somewhere in there each bank is trading a primary tube plus it looks like they may have a 8 way collector or something. I don't know much about 180 header desig so without a ton of pics i wouldn't be able to speculate.
Yea I can not spend 3500 on some tricked out headers myself.
I would love to have some headers like that myself but even if someone offered them they would be custom. I suppose I could get a set of existing headers, cut them up, Tig in some slip joints and weld on a buch of spring anchors. It's not real hard, but takes a lot of time. I made a few custom exhaust systems for "show" bikes and if you have a lot of old stock systems to cut up and use the bends it's not horribly hard. I built the exhaust from the heads to outlets that is on the Ducati Monster below. I used a 996 slip ons (just mufflers) and a big box of 748-916-996 stock header tubing for all my beds. I even managed to get the headers equal length and it has a "H-pipe" in it too. It took me 36hrs to make it! After I entered the bike in its first bike show I got slammed with people wanting me to make more but I would have neede to charge $4000/ systen. I put a pic of what the stock bike looked like. Take note of the two NOS bottles attached to the fork tubesI won all sorts of bike shows with that sucker, even some 'V-twin" shows that were almost completely harleys, and it still even rode great. On the bottle it made 223hp!
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The way the S197`s Breath, is it going to give a lot more HP; going with a spring type titanium header?
I doubt you would gain one hp. It would be a lot simpler to put o though
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The price of a Super charger is not far off of that. So yea.. not many people would be ponying up for them.
I agree, hard to justify. If I started with some pre-existing ones and did all the work myself maybe I could be talked ito it. I doubt it though, I don't even plan on getting into LT's to make my 650rwhp.
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Only the crazy rich, Id suppose. God knows I met a bunch of them today at the car show. I need to figure something out to relieve them of all there cash.
Yeah, they are out there. I have a lot of them as customers
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That is pretty cool. And they hold without leaking?
Oh yeah, no leaks at all. I don't have the smallest bit of soot at any junction. There is not much back pressure though. My Ducati 1098 (just over 1 litre) system has 70mm tubing (just under 3") for two cylinders. That's a lot of available exhaust flow.
With cats a segmented/sprung car header may want to push a tiny bit of gas because of the backpressure though. I wouldn't mind trying. Worse case I could weld it back together if it leaked. Keep in mind all the slip fits are "backward" and overlap quite a bit so the exhaust gases would need to turn around to leak out between two segments.
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Agreed...I was trying to work them down to a reasonable number of hours to complete the install so I think they added this to try and compensate...
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I fail to see any relationship.
Thanks - I will keep this in mind should I move forward with the install and pick up the car!
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The only thing that I had to alighn ,was the tailpipe.
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