[sqidd]

This is version 1. A “proof of concept”. Those of you that have seen my motorcycle stuff know that this is nowhere near what I consider a finished product. We built this to test out our theories, test some parts all keeping in mind that version 2 will be quite a bit different then version 3 will be more reflective of a finished product.

All of this work was done by hand, no CNC involved yet (that’s how we do all of our prototype work) so I don’t want to hear a thing about fit and finish. This is a “rough” and it was intended to be that way. I’m not spending 10 hours making it beautiful just to change most of it for version 2.

Thought you guys (and girls) would like a peek at what is coming up though.

Would you pay the same amount of money for a setup like this as an 8 rib conversion? (answers to this would be nice)

Would you pay lets say $100-150 more? (answers to this would be nice)

And in case you are wondering, yes it makes a difference. I saw 1.5lb more boost after 4500rpm last night (and that’s compared to FRANKEN-TENSIONER!) and I have never, ever grenaded the tires in third like that before. The SOP is all there.

So tie down your wallets, this is coming down the pike. It will be a LOT less expensive than the Steeda setup and frankly I think better. And it obviously blows an 8 rib conversion out of the water. And did I mention it looks sweeeeeet? When it’s all “jeweled” up and anodized no one will see the rest of the engine compartment!

Now keep in mind, this is my “Art”. I have a lot of hours and a lot of effort and creativity into this. If you would like to bring up any reasonable, well thought out and constructive points I am more than all ears. But please don’t hurt my feelings, I have slept 7 hours in the last 72. I’m not quite I the mood.

And yes, I am planing on systems for the KB, Whipple, Seleen and whatever popular ones that are out there that I can't think of right now because I need to take a nap............. bad.

Thanks and enjoy!

Jason

[10/05gt]

Clean and simple. Looks good.

[flounderlipps]

Looking good
Keep us posted

[Ricesmoker]

Me want when ready!

[2005 white s197]

Looks really nice, my only comment would be, is there anyway to reduce the size (just a little) of the back plate i.e. top right corner area and middle far left inside area ? Maybe by either "rounding" or "shaping" a small amount.

[stlwagon]

Looks super Jason... Very clean!

[sqidd]

Originally Posted by 2005 white s197

Looks really nice, my only comment would be, is there anyway to reduce the size (just a little) of the back plate i.e. top right corner area and middle far left inside area ? Maybe by either "rounding" or "shaping" a small amount.

Oh yeah, that's all roughed in. I cut the plate on the band saw. Gen 2 will be quite a bit "trimmer" and gen 3 will be all cut down. When it goes into production the plate will be getting cut with the water jet. Whatever I can draw, it can cut.

[Scrochy]

neato, could shave some weight, but it only is the 1st "prototype" what is it setup to run for belt lengths? ball or needle bearings, have you thought of making lips on the rollers to help just in case the belt ever wanted to chuck? good design keep up the good work. you should run longevity tests and rpm to see what it can take before it throws or breaks the belt or it (i.e. electric motor not a real engine) dont forget a patent!

[sqidd]

neato, could shave some weight, but it only is the 1st "prototype"

Bingo, the finished product will probably be about half the weight.

what is it setup to run for belt lengths?

About 50 in.

ball or needle bearings

Ball, they spec out above the RPM needs and have load ratings about a billion times greater than needed. And the Blower snout bearing is ceramic for added insurance

have you thought of making lips on the rollers to help just in case the belt ever wanted to chuck?

Thought about it but decided it was overkill on overkill.

good design keep up the good work.

Thanks

you should run longevity tests and rpm to see what it can take before it throws or breaks the belt

No need, Gates and the bearing manufacturer already did it for me. The specifications of the belt and bearings are way above what they will be subjected to. At a miimum 5 times and in the case of some specs up to 100 times more than needed. I spent a lot of time on the phone with the belt and bearing Engineers makig sure the kit is WAY overbuilt. Keep in mind 100"+ 6 rib belts and crap bearings (the OEM ones) are standing up to the abuse. My 6 rib belt that had WAY too much spring tension on it (double standard) and over 9K miles on it when I took it off yesterday and was still mint. And all the OEM idler bearings were in great shape.

dont forget a patent!

Huge waste of time and money. A patent is not worth a thing. You still need to hire a lawyer to try to enforce it and "simple" patent cases go over $100K on a normal basis. If I really invented something revolutionary like the intermittent windshield wiper (I'm friends with the son of the guy who invented it) then I would patent it. It was a solid invention and a rock solid patent but by the time all the court cases were over his Dad had become his own lawyer because he couldn't afford one and was almost dead. Horay for the law!

[Scrochy]

well then, i guess you have your bases covered then

[sqidd]

Originally Posted by Scrochy

well then, i guess you have your bases covered then

I hope so..........................

[FREAKNAZTY]

Any fitment issues with a larger pulley clearing the hood ? I know a few people complained about that when adding certain pulleys with meth plate kits etc. , I think it's pretty kick ass looking but does me no good I never have belt slip issues with my turbo lmao

[theuntouchable]

It always shows when a lot of hard work has been put in and i think what you're doing is awesome!

To answer your questions; Yes, i would definately pay the same amount as an 8 rib conversion system... maybe a little more (although 150$ more might be a bit much).

Some questions i have:

1. What kind of Warranty/Guarantee would you offer?
2. Free Shipping?
3. Technical Support?

Also, using my setup as an example (Please see sig), how much more boost could i be seeing with a 10 rib system using a 3.0 pulley? And would i be seeing more boost down low?

I was thinking of getting the 8 rib system lethal performance has, but now... i think i'll wait!

Looking forward to seeing the final product!
Keep up the good work!

[sqidd]

Any fitment issues with a larger pulley clearing the hood ?

I have not put my GT hood on to check yet. Plenty of room with the GT500 hood and the massive KB 4" pulley. The pulley is back a bit further than the Steeda unit though. I imagine when all is said and done the hood blanket will have to go and MAYBE the hood will need to be notched. I doubt there will be much issue with low 3" pulleys and right now the pully I spun out has a massive shoulder on it. I could remove a TON of meat out of it if I needed to. I just left it there because it looks cool.

I have two pretty sweet belt gaurd designs for the kit. They are pretty low profile. I'm planning o having enough room to be able to use them.

I think it's pretty kick ass looking

Thanks! Wait till you see the finished product. It's an ugly duckling right now.

but does me no good I never have belt slip issues with my turbo lmao

"Stupid turbo's"
(use Homer Simpson voice)

[sqidd]

1. What kind of Warranty/Guarantee would you offer?

Not exactly sure. For street cars (most cars) 1 year sounds good to me.

I highly doubt that it will have any issues. From all my years of fabricating stuff for race use I have learned that it is far easier to over engineer something than design it again or continually fix it. I went nuts with this setup. All the bearings, belt, etc are spec’d out to stand up to 3+ times the wear and tear they will be seeing even under the most extreme conditions. And my spec is based on being able to run the motor up to 8,000RPM which I doubt you are going to see a whole lot on any 3v motor, let aloe one with a blower. Needless to say the bearings I am using are EXPENSIVE!

I have never, ever had a warranty issue with any of the motorcycle products that I have designed and manufactured.

2. Free Shipping?

Not a chance

3. Technical Support?

Tons. I'm used to working with suspension which is very, very support intensive. I imagine my idea of a "little" support is a lot more than most parts get.

Also, using my setup as an example (Please see sig), how much more boost could i be seeing with a 10 rib system using a 3.0 pulley? And would i be seeing more boost down low?

I have not had a chance to do much testing at all but the Steeda kit seems to be showing about 1-1.5psi ad there is no reason to think this setup would be any different. I fact this setup my be a bit better. My kit certainly has more belt wrap.

I saw a little over 1psi on my car and I have a 4” pulley, good belt wrap and my tensioner (the old one) has double the spring pressure that the stock one does. The smaller pulleys will certainly see increases in boost as good or if not better than that.

Low end boost increase is going to have a lot to do with the particular car. Belt condition, pulley surface, gearing, etc, etc, etc. But I doubt many belts are slipping down low so big gains are unlikely.

I was thinking of getting the 8 rib system lethal performance has, but now... i think i'll wait!

Looking forward to seeing the final product!
Keep up the good work!

That's what I like to hear! Thanks