I am wanting to put different cams in my car but im not sure what to get. What i really want is a cam that will have a heavy lope but make decent power. I know that there is really a cam that will give me the lope i want and great power but i really want to gain somewhere around 30rwhp which i think is feasible. Any help would be great and if u could school me in what specs to look at on a cam to find what im wanting that would be great.
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05 Mustang GT - Performance Mods - Kooks Long Tube Headers, Kooks X-Pipe (no cats), Magnaflow Magnapacks, Diablosport Tuner
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The lopier it is, the less power it's going to make.
Okay...I am waiting for a full detailed explanation on that complete with dyno sheets.
That's an awefully generic statement with about 64 variables.
That means those 8 second all motor cars that I see running would be faster if they idled smooth?
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I am wanting to put different cams in my car but im not sure what to get. What i really want is a cam that will have a heavy lope but make decent power. I know that there is really a cam that will give me the lope i want and great power but i really want to gain somewhere around 30rwhp which i think is feasible. Any help would be great and if u could school me in what specs to look at on a cam to find what im wanting that would be great.
To answer your question, I would go with a Comp Cam of some sort, but if you want a noticable idle you are going to shift your RPM range WAY UP. Peak power will be much later and come on a lot later. Probably +1500 RPM from what you are used to.
Comp #127300 springs only required.
If you don't mind Phaser mods too, then by all means I would pick this out of all of them: Comp #127500
With that in mind, be prepared for a gear change, valve springs and possible phaser mods for what you want.
The FRPP Hot Rods won't cost you power, but without head work, they don't make much if any more, just sound cool.
I am not a JDM customer, nor goupie, but I do know they did a lot of work in conjuction with Comp on 3v cams, and use them in their builds. Their cars are FAST.
Since you stated you wanted more HP and sound, I would ignore the FRPP Hot Rods and the Comp "Thumper" cams. The both make slight additional power, but not what you want.
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2006 Legend Lime GT: Samco, Metco, LPW, Brembo 6 pot brakes with floating rotors, Magnacharger with 8-Rib, LubeLocker, Royal Purple, FR500S front end, APR Performance Carbon Fiber Rear Wing, Roll bar, 10 qt upgraded oil system...Thank you Capaldi Racing for all your help! 2007 Mustang GT/CS : Wife's Car, Magnacharged too. 1966 Mustang GT-K Code Coupe: Restored
Okay...I am waiting for a full detailed explanation on that complete with dyno sheets.
That's an awefully generic statement with about 64 variables.
That means those 8 second all motor cars that I see running would be faster if they idled smooth?
As I understand it the power band is going to be a lot narrower and peakier with the narrower LSA cam. A stage 2 cam on the other hand is going to provide a much broader torque curve and will make that power lower in the rpm range. Or am I completely off base here?
As I understand it the power band is going to be a lot narrower and peakier with the narrower LSA cam. A stage 2 cam on the other hand is going to provide a much broader torque curve and will make that power lower in the rpm range. Or am I completely off base here?
That makes more sense. You said it makes less power being lopier, that's what alarmed me. Unlike you to make a statement like that. It does shorten the power band, as you said. They can get "peaky" but with VVT not as much as the old days.
That is why I picked my FRPP Hot Rod cams. They still use full swing of cam timing. And I can manipulate the cam table values to make up for the boost loss. I can repeat what was told to me when I asked why every one insists on using phaser limiters.
Keep in mind I had access to any cam I wanted, I choose mine for a couple different reasons, one was to dump some boost down low for the road courses, the other of course was the immature "sound" desire.
I ran my Hot Rod cams through the Cam Doctor program on the v blocks and was surprised when comparing to the stock cams. There is some super cool vodoo going on with how they got those cams to sound like they do and then cruise so nice and keep a reasonable power band as compared to Thumpers. More or less Ford Racing is using the VVT to their advantage.
Wait until the cam in cam stuff starts coming out. YUP! Seperate control of the intake and exhaust within the same cam. Makes full VVT possible in PUSH ROD engines too. You can change the LSA on the fly.
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2006 Legend Lime GT: Samco, Metco, LPW, Brembo 6 pot brakes with floating rotors, Magnacharger with 8-Rib, LubeLocker, Royal Purple, FR500S front end, APR Performance Carbon Fiber Rear Wing, Roll bar, 10 qt upgraded oil system...Thank you Capaldi Racing for all your help! 2007 Mustang GT/CS : Wife's Car, Magnacharged too. 1966 Mustang GT-K Code Coupe: Restored
That makes more sense. You said it makes less power being lopier, that's what alarmed me. Unlike you to make a statement like that. It does shorten the power band, as you said. They can get "peaky" but with VVT not as much as the old days.
That is why I picked my FRPP Hot Rod cams. They still use full swing of cam timing. And I can manipulate the cam table values to make up for the boost loss. I can repeat what was told to me when I asked why every one insists on using phaser limiters.
Keep in mind I had access to any cam I wanted, I choose mine for a couple different reasons, one was to dump some boost down low for the road courses, the other of course was the immature "sound" desire.
I ran my Hot Rod cams through the Cam Doctor program on the v blocks and was surprised when comparing to the stock cams. There is some super cool vodoo going on with how they got those cams to sound like they do and then cruise so nice and keep a reasonable power band as compared to Thumpers. More or less Ford Racing is using the VVT to their advantage.
Wait until the cam in cam stuff starts coming out. YUP! Seperate control of the intake and exhaust within the same cam. Makes full VVT possible in PUSH ROD engines too. You can change the LSA on the fly.
Ok... Good. Compared to you and Jason (Sqidd) I'm just scratching the surface on cam knowledge.
Ok... Good. Compared to you and Jason (Sqidd) I'm just scratching the surface on cam knowledge.
Uh, you should try keeping up with my Dad! At least when it gets to VVT and EFI he's done LOL. He spends a lot of time on the phone with Demi Elgin of Elgin cams, my Dad doesn't use anythng off the shelf.
As for Jason, you should be here when he comes over. Hours can seem like days with the bench racing and virtual BS dyno LOL. Guy can ride a freakin' crotch rocket like no body's business though!
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2006 Legend Lime GT: Samco, Metco, LPW, Brembo 6 pot brakes with floating rotors, Magnacharger with 8-Rib, LubeLocker, Royal Purple, FR500S front end, APR Performance Carbon Fiber Rear Wing, Roll bar, 10 qt upgraded oil system...Thank you Capaldi Racing for all your help! 2007 Mustang GT/CS : Wife's Car, Magnacharged too. 1966 Mustang GT-K Code Coupe: Restored
Uh, you should try keeping up with my Dad! At least when it gets to VVT and EFI he's done LOL. He spends a lot of time on the phone with Demi Elgin of Elgin cams, my Dad doesn't use anythng off the shelf.
As for Jason, you should be here when he comes over. Hours can seem like days with the bench racing and virtual BS dyno LOL. Guy can ride a freakin' crotch rocket like no body's business though!
I need to make a trip out to Michigan one of these days to hang with the brain trust!
I need to make a trip out to Michigan one of these days to hang with the brain trust!
Just make it when I have an FRPP picnic event or for the Dearborn Test Track Mustang event the day before Mustang Alley at the Woodward Dream Cruise.
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2006 Legend Lime GT: Samco, Metco, LPW, Brembo 6 pot brakes with floating rotors, Magnacharger with 8-Rib, LubeLocker, Royal Purple, FR500S front end, APR Performance Carbon Fiber Rear Wing, Roll bar, 10 qt upgraded oil system...Thank you Capaldi Racing for all your help! 2007 Mustang GT/CS : Wife's Car, Magnacharged too. 1966 Mustang GT-K Code Coupe: Restored
Im currently running Comp 127500s XFI SPR. Idle is noticable. The car really starts to move when i am in the 4000RPM range. I like the Stage 2 SPRs part# 127500. I feel like i went with a good cam and im happy with how the results came out.
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The FRPP Hot Rods won't cost you power, but without head work, they don't make much if any more, just sound cool.
I am not a JDM customer, nor goupie, but I do know they did a lot of work in conjuction with Comp on 3v cams, and use them in their builds. Their cars are FAST.
Since you stated you wanted more HP and sound, I would ignore the FRPP Hot Rods and the Comp "Thumper" cams. The both make slight additional power, but not what you want.
Beagle I'm surprised to hear you say that. Have you done a spring swap on these heads ? I haven't done it but everybody I've talked to says it's a nightmare.
I do also beg to differ on the FRPP cams not making power. I made ~25rwhp due to the cams(pre delete plates) and Ford says this too. I know without the cams I would be around 305 to the wheels. They work well with the nitrous and you seem to like them with boost. The key is the tuning.
I do agree if you're looking for every last drop of HP juice go ahead and change springs. I just feel you're getting into serious NA build and to take on all that extra work and risk you might as well get blown.
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Camshaft help on a 2005 Mustang GT 
