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Old 10-16-2009   #1 (permalink)
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Default Long Tube vs. Shorty Headers for Supercharged Automatic Mustang!

I have a problem! I bought a Magnaflow X-Pipe w/ Cats with JBA Shorty Headers. Now, the shop close by said that it is better to do JBA Long Tubes w/ JBA X-Pipe since my car is supercharged. Will it really make a difference from one to the other? I am only running 5psi of boost. Any help would be good. Thanks!
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Long tubes always make much more of a difference on our cars, supercharged or not.

The shorty's may provide some small gains and different sound, but long tubes will add a lot more power and sound amazing.
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The shorties will provide almost exactly zero HP on a FI car. Long tubes are good for 15-17hp on a FI car. One of the two big Mustang rags did a test on all of the long tubes on a supercharged car and they all well within 15-17hp. Shorties don't make power on anything. Sell them or return them if you can.
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I really dont think there would be a BIG loss in HP if you go with the shorties. If I were you I would just use what you have. You spent the money so you might as well use the shorties.
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ditch the shorties and get the longtubes, you'll be happy with them and the power increase you'll make!
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I have a problem! I bought a Magnaflow X-Pipe w/ Cats with JBA Shorty Headers. Now, the shop close by said that it is better to do JBA Long Tubes w/ JBA X-Pipe since my car is supercharged. Will it really make a difference from one to the other? I am only running 5psi of boost. Any help would be good. Thanks!
Not worth it. As mentioned long tubes are only worth maybe 15 hp. If you really want more hp put that money toward upping the boost.
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ditch the shorties and get the longtubes, you'll be happy with them and the power increase you'll make!
$100/hp. Yeah, I would be thrilled to death with that

Plus the bonus of them being a PITA to put on and live with.
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Return the shorties!!! I would definately put longtubes on a supercharged car. I have them on mine and plan to supercharge it soon. There are two main reasons I recommend it. One reason of course, is that you will make more horsepower and have a much better exhaust sound. Reason two, it will reduce boost (about 2 psi), thus less strain on your motor. In other words, suppose you have 9lbs of boost on a car with stock exahaust, you then add a set of longtubes and offroad pipe or high flow cat system. The boost will drop a couple of pounds in the higher rpms and make more power because of less backpressure. If you take your time and have a good place to do the install, it is not that bad. I did mine over the course of a week. But I only worked on it a couple of hours each day. When I was doing it, if something was in the way, I just removed it instead of fighting it (motor mounts, starter, etc.). Everything went well, and I noticed a nice power and torque increase.
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Check out this video.. We all know who JDM is, so you can guarantee it isn't bullshit.

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At 5psi I don't think it's going to be a tremendous difference.
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I agree with STL, but i do think he may see 20rwhp.
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I suspect alot of the power gained in the video was from a more aggressive JDM tune compared to the really "safe" Saleen tune. I want Kooks headers but at the current time I cannot afford them.
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I agree with STL, but i do think he may see 20rwhp.
LT's on FI cars make 15-17 max at 10psi. They are not going to make 20@5.
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LT's on FI cars make 15-17 max at 10psi. They are not going to make 20@5.
But wouldn't it be sweet if they did?
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But wouldn't it be sweet if they did?
Well, as ong as we are talking fantasy why not 50hp? I would get some for sure then.
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