So I had been wondering and asking all over how much they do. Finally today I got an e-mail from a friend in Fla where they installed the Steeda Charge-Motion Control Plates. 12 RWHP on the dyno, the car already had a CAI and full exhaust with short headers and cats... It went from 292 to 304 RWHP... Pretty good for 200 bucks! I ordered a set...
Anybody else have any numbers for these? A link to a dyno print-out ?
Any thoughts?
Thanks!
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Well, I don't know too much about them to be honest... I'll venture a guess here to the best of my knowledge...
It's a plate between the cylinder block and injection system. It's where the fuel/air mixture enter the cylinders.
I don't know what if any valve system and/or 'spoilers' Ford uses on the stock plate but they cause a restriction which slows the mixture (and your trottle response) down, it also creates turbulence which interferes with the cylinders (piston)'s ability to suck in as much of the mixture as posible for the biggest bang (thrust, HP, TQ.)
The AM Steeda plates are pretty much clean, the mixture goes straight in with no hindrance or disturbance, wide open as the Ford guys say.
I'm attaching Steedas picture of the pair and you'll see there is basically four big holes one for each of the eight intakes...
And here is the text they have for them; "Let your pony breathe! The factory charge-motion control plates produce a restriction in the intake path - which these replacements from Steeda eliminate. Beautifully CNC machined from 6061-T6 aluminum. If you are already on the bottle, we've got the holes drilled and tapped for you, ready for you to install your nozzles."
I ordered the set without the NX holes, they are marked though for easy drilling if you want to add it later...
Hope that helps and you gearheads please fill in (or correct me?)
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I now have a better understanding. How hard is it to install? Once installed is there any type of adjustments made to the motor or computer? Or is it plug in play type thing?
I now have a better understanding. How hard is it to install? Once installed is there any type of adjustments made to the motor or computer? Or is it plug in play type thing?
Your still the man
Yeah, thanks KJ. I've seen references and posts about these things, but had absolutely no clue what they were either. You crack me up man on all the parts you have ordered before your car even shows up. =)
Im assuming that as these change the fuel/air mixturing bit, that it'll require a reflash/tune, right?
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2005 Mineral Grey GT Prem (Kaylee), mostly stock.
I have not installed my CMCVPs yet, but will in the near future. The installation of them will require a re-flash of your computer. I have the DiabloSport Predator and they have the download from their site to do both a Steeda CAI (Cold Air Intake) and the CMCVPs together and just the CAI now installed on my '05 GT. Once you do the re-flash for the CAI and/or the CMCVPs, you will need to go to either 91 or 93 Octane fuel. It is recommended and I have already filled up from a nearly empty tank with 93 Octane. It has seemed to add more torque and improved drivability re. smoother acceleration, and it does push you back in the seat a bit more than before. I had previously done the 87 Octane Tune with the DSP and saw some improvement in performance and fuel economy. Another note, even with the Traction control turned on, I have broken loose the rear tires a couple of times in 1st and 2nd and was not really trying to do that! So, I feel the upgrades are worth it so far. Once I get the CMCVPs installed, hold on! lol
As to what the CMCVPs are....each of the four openings on each OEM one has a butterfly type valve on it. They are all connected together to open all at once. On light throttle they open partially to Quote "Increase the intake air turbulance in the intake prior to going into the cylinder heads, creating an improved fuel/air mixture at lower RPMs". (This is basically what several Ford web sites have quoted per Ford's comments.) Then they open up more as you open the throttle until you do a WOT (Wide Open Throttle), then it is open all the way. From what I have gathered, this is really all part of the Emissions control stuff to make the car more clean.
Hopefully in the next few weeks I will have have installed mine and we shall see what improvements I see then. One more thing...as to the installation....if you are not really mechanically inclined, then get help or have a professional do the installation. It involves removing the intake system, the fuel injector rails and a lot of other intake related mechannicals and other stuff, so be prepared to have about 6-8 hours to do the job. I will do it myself with a little help from a Mustang Mechanic. Not taking any chances here!
Hope this helps! Good luck!
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I have been searching like crazy for what restriction Ford had in there. I even asked my friend who sent me the e-mail but aperently he's to good to be actually working on cars now days... "Hmm... didn't look at them, was in the office and then went out to help with the dyno and the tune..." I asked him if he works in a tux now...
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[/b]You crack me up man on all the parts you have ordered before your car even shows up. =)
Im assuming that as these change the fuel/air mixturing bit, that it'll require a reflash/tune, right?
Wife knows I have the extra money... Profit from my previous car, tax return, and currently no car payment... She knows it's my play money but makes claims... gotta spend it... LOL
Yea, you'll definately have to tune! Instal by pros should be around two hours I was told...
Got another number today; Steeda CAI and the CMP with a tune on an auto showed 288 on the dyno, no TQ or actual gain number...?? I'd guess close to 50 RWHP?
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Any time KJ.... You've had some good comments and facts too! I keep researching what I can do to improve my '05. Wife is ok with my indulgences too! lol I intend to find a local performance shop to put my car on a Dyno after I install the CMCVPs. I should have base lined it but I have seen several threads on real OEM RWHP and RWTQ, so I figure most are pretty accurate for a basis for gains once I get it on a Dyno. I can feel the power difference in the seat of my pants though! lol Took my wife out in it the other evening and she was amazed at the difference. So we shall see what I feel with the CMCVPs installed. There is a slight clatter/chatter noise I think I am hearing from them when I accelerate hard. Will know for sure when the OEM ones are replaced.
Off subject of CMCVPs....Flywheel changeout thoughts from you were interesting. I was wondering if that might give me even more HP/TQ gains that are worth the investment? If I do change it out, then I may also install the Tri-Ax Shifter at the same time. I've spent more money since I got the car in Jan than I have on payments so far! lol Oh well.....
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WSD, you better hurry so you get them on before me... so I can change my mind if you say they bite...
What HP/TQ gains have you seen for them? Have seen no real test/dyno only first hand info from peeps that have installed them...
Regarding the Flywheel... The Tri-Ax is really only attached from below as far as I understand it. But I guess since the car have to be lifted up you might as well move the tranny assembly and work your way through the clutch and swop the Flywheel. Let us know the resoult!
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Thanks KJ. Alas, it will be a couple of weeks before I get the chance and time to install the new CMCVPs. The shifter and possibly the fly wheel will be this Fall. Sounds like you will have the new car soon and a lot of time to be spent on the mods to everything. I have done something every couple of weeks since I got my GT. So why change? lol I may get to do the CMCVPs next weekend, we shall see..... Have fun doing the mods and driving it with all the extra power.
One word of advice on the use of the DS Predator....take your time with it and do not get in a rush while doing the backup and loading the tunes. Roll your windows down first. Turn everything off in the car. Then just plug in the DSP. It is really pretty simple, just follow its instructions. When you are done, keep hitting the ESC key to get you all the way back to the starting menu. Turn the ignition off, then you can unplug the OBD II Plug/cable on the DSP from the car. Always make sure the ignition is off before plugging the DSP in or unplugging it. I read the instructions several times before and during the install to make sure. Hey! I am an Engineer and a little Anal at times! lol
Once you have done the CAI & CMCVPs install and DSP tune, you will need to run 91 or 93 Octane fuel, or you will get bad valve clatter when you accelerate. Enjoy!!!!
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