Conservative Blower Setup. Forged Parts, Tune and Intake Questions.
I heard some of the blowers are a little more conservative with their wear and tear on the engine(ie Saleen and Roush) with conservative tunes. I know it is not necessary to replace the internals with forged parts with the avg blower setup, but will it prevent the life of the engine from being decreased? Or are these setups less dangerous? Just wondering cuz Forged parts are like 2k for crankshafts, pistons, etc, right?
Edit:I just tohught of a good question to aid my curiosity: For those of you who have '05/'06 Roush with the roushcharger, did your engine come with forged internals?
Also, if I was planning on going non-N/A, do blower kits come with their own intake and would I have to chuck the C&L intake I want to get soon?
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2005 Black GT Whipple HO | Oil Seperator | Steeda Tensioner | 93 dyno tune | Autometer Cobalt | GTAs
Blowers will always put more wear and tear on any internal, because of the added heat. Intercoolers help in this department . As for stage 3 roush cars ... i'm pretty positive they don't used forged internals ... they just add the blower. And do blowers come with their own intakes ... the answer is yes. There's been only one setup i've seen that you can use other intakes with it, and that has been saleen. If i was going to get a s/c i would go with saleen, for the look and the fact of being able to use my JLT. I haven't decided if i'm going to buy a s/c yet ... or stay N/A ... i'm really wanting new cams and heads first
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05 Torch Red GT All options, minus red int, auto, and shaker 1000. JLT II with SCT XCAL2 from Bamachips, FRPP mufflers, and FRPP 4.10s. Aren't mod lists truly infinite?
91 Jeep Cherokee. It's my piece that I have to constantly fix, but can't justify getting rid of it, even with the woman harping on me that it's a waste of money. Do you hear me yelling at her for buying towels that I can't touch, cause it's "Decorative"?
I heard some of the blowers are a little more conservative with their wear and tear on the engine(ie Saleen and Roush) with conservative tunes. I know it is not necessary to replace the internals with forged parts with the avg blower setup, but will it prevent the life of the engine from being decreased? Or are these setups less dangerous? Just wondering cuz Forged parts are like 2k for crankshafts, pistons, etc, right?
Edit:I just tohught of a good question to aid my curiosity: For those of you who have '05/'06 Roush with the roushcharger, did your engine come with forged internals?
Also, if I was planning on going non-N/A, do blower kits come with their own intake and would I have to chuck the C&L intake I want to get soon?
There are a couple of guys in my area running the Roush blowers with disappointing results. They're much slower than I am with only intake and exhaust mods.
My suggestion is to go with the Saleen. It runs in the mid 12's and if you really want to wake it up you get the components from JDM and the car should become a monster.
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05 White GT Premium 5 Sp. IUP, Active Alarm
BMR, C&L, Centerforce, Fidanza, FRPP, GI Joe, JBA, JDM Engineering, LPW, Saleen, SCT, Steeda, SOS
Yes the Saleen kit is intercooled. Check out www.teamjdm.com
These guys are the Saleen experts period. I had the SC installed locally with the Saleen tune and was a bit disappointed in the way the car reacted. Did some of the necessary upgrades (injector's, MAF) and used there tune through SCT and WOW, whole different car. Talk to Jim jr. if you have questions. There customer service is excellent. Check out this month's issue of MM&FF. The Saleen SC'ed car is one they tuned. Automatic running in the mid-11's w/out that much boost.
Forgot.. The only CAI that you can run with the Saleen blower is the C&L "Racer" kit. It will require lowering the engine with mounts if you want to use it.
Forgot.. The only CAI that you can run with the Saleen blower is the C&L "Racer" kit. It will require lowering the engine with mounts if you want to use it.
Crap ... i thought that i could use my JLT ... i would have sworn i've seen someone out there who did with pics ... i need to find that ... but, if that's the case i guess oh well ... it was nice to have for the time being
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05 Torch Red GT All options, minus red int, auto, and shaker 1000. JLT II with SCT XCAL2 from Bamachips, FRPP mufflers, and FRPP 4.10s. Aren't mod lists truly infinite?
91 Jeep Cherokee. It's my piece that I have to constantly fix, but can't justify getting rid of it, even with the woman harping on me that it's a waste of money. Do you hear me yelling at her for buying towels that I can't touch, cause it's "Decorative"?
So the Saleen package doesn't come with injectors?
I've seen the MAF term tossed around? What is that? I know it stands for Mass Air Flow, but that's about it...is it a peice that the intake attaches to before it is attached to the engine?
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2005 Black GT Whipple HO | Oil Seperator | Steeda Tensioner | 93 dyno tune | Autometer Cobalt | GTAs
I believe I need to correct what I said in the earlier thread, let me rephrase. The only two CAI that work well (and JDM recommends) with the Saleen are the Racer intake and the one they developed. I believe you can use other intakes but they will be difficult to tune correctly because of the size of the intake.
The Saleen unit does not come with upgraded injector's. The Saleen cars sold on the lots w/blowers use the stock 24lb injector's and Saleen's crap tune. I've heard that they are coming out with a package that includes an intake, injector's and new tune, but I'm not sure.
I"m not sure what the diameter of the original MAF was (I am no tech or mechanic) but the new one is 90mm. Originally I had the C&L "street" intake on the car w/the blower. The power was fine, but the engine was running dangerously lean basically across the board. I replaced it with JDM's intake and tunes and whalaaa... Problem solved and tons of power. Again, I am no expert, so other comments are welcome
I believe I need to correct what I said in the earlier thread, let me rephrase. The only two CAI that work well (and JDM recommends) with the Saleen are the Racer intake and the one they developed. I believe you can use other intakes but they will be difficult to tune correctly because of the size of the intake.
The Saleen unit does not come with upgraded injector's. The Saleen cars sold on the lots w/blowers use the stock 24lb injector's and Saleen's crap tune. I've heard that they are coming out with a package that includes an intake, injector's and new tune, but I'm not sure.
I"m not sure what the diameter of the original MAF was (I am no tech or mechanic) but the new one is 90mm. Originally I had the C&L "street" intake on the car w/the blower. The power was fine, but the engine was running dangerously lean basically across the board. I replaced it with JDM's intake and tunes and whalaaa... Problem solved and tons of power. Again, I am no expert, so other comments are welcome
That's a nice looking car, bnkrtoy.
Also, I don't know if any1 answered me on this but: is it a waste to get forged internals when you hit into the 400s with a supercharger?
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2005 Black GT Whipple HO | Oil Seperator | Steeda Tensioner | 93 dyno tune | Autometer Cobalt | GTAs
450 rwhp is what most agree is the max you can run with the stock internals. Really depends on the tune. I am getting very close to that number so we'll see how they hold up. There are other cars running over that number for quite some time w/out problems, but the only detonations I've read about occur > 450. Boost is a bad addiction
Im putting forged internals in this summer. I am planning it all right now, but I am really leaning toward a short block swap. Livernoise offers two ro three short block setups, and stroker assemblies. You probably wont need it unless you plan on getting to over 425rwhp, or really pounding on the car a lot. If you go to the trouble of doing the whole internals change, though, I strongly suggest you map out just what all else you need to change, since you will have the engine out of the car. for one thing, your flywheel may need to be changed( I think we have 6 bolt crank/flywheel, the forged is 8 bolt-but hey, a lighter flywheel cant hurt anyway) while it is out, oil system upgrades should be done, mounts may be a slight issue on some short block exchanges, so look into that (not a big expense) and do you plan to do head work in the future? this could matter in just what internals you are putting back in there. I.e., S/C applications and compression ratios, vs. naturally aspirated, etc. I originally just wanted to stick forged internals in, and then do fuel upgrades, and pulley change to the SC, but now I m thinking that 500 hp would be awful nice!
I second the saleen + JDM setup. They really helped me out when my local dealer had trouble tuning the auto trans + the Saleen.
If you decide on the Saleen, I HIGHLY recomend that you give JDM a call.
I would not worry with forged internals until you want to go over 450rwhp ( 93 octane ) or 425 ( 91 octane )....
If you decide to use a local tuner and keep your stock MAF ( made into the air intake ) you will need a Diablo Maf.ia MAF extender to tune it properly. Even with the stock 4psi pulley, the saleen will peg the stock MAF sensor. I originally use the Maf.ia, but later switched to the 90mm Lightening MAF....
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2005 Satin Silver GT, auto, with Red leather interior and IUP, Custom painted stripes, Boyd Coddinton Junk Yard Dogs wheels, Saleen S/C, 39lb injectors, 90mm MAF, CAI, JDM SCT Custom Tune ( about 350rwhp )
Conservative Blower Setup. Forged Parts, Tune and Intake Questions. 
. As for stage 3 roush cars ... i'm pretty positive they don't used forged internals ... they just add the blower. And do blowers come with their own intakes ... the answer is yes. There's been only one setup i've seen that you can use other intakes with it, and that has been saleen. If i was going to get a s/c i would go with saleen, for the look and the fact of being able to use my JLT. I haven't decided if i'm going to buy a s/c yet ... or stay N/A ... i'm really wanting new cams and heads first 
