recently installed the frpp handling pkg, includes sway bars, lowering springs, dampers and hood strut...after it was installed i noticed that the space between the wheels is not even on both sides on the front and a bit less on the rear, meaning on the driver side the front wheels comes more out and on the passanger it is more inside about half an inch or a bit more difference and a bit less in the rear wheels, i was told its the way the body was built and it was like that before the sway bars were changed to bigger ones and since it passed alignment, it is not a problem in terms or driving or causing any damage to te car or tires or wheels, did anyone experience that or knows what can be doe to fix this they say pretty muc nothing can be done. thanks for your input
It is physically impossible for the position of the front wheels to have changed with respect to the body. The hub assemblies, to which the wheels mount, are attached in a fixed position to the front structure of the chassis and there is no side to side movement. If there is a difference in tire to fender clearance in the front between the left and right sides it was there before you installed the suspension package.
With the body hanging lower the wheels do look tucked a lot more.To compensate for this I installed the 18X8.5" Konig Beyonds which have a different offset @ 35mm.Even with the car at stock height the wheel and tire combo just inside the fenders .Poco
hey 5tewnty, was your front off as well or just the rear?? thanks for all the comments, im gonna look into the bmr adjustable panhard bar since it helped one person here with the same issue and the same handling pkg, will check back with the installers about the front since i also didnt feel that it was supposed to be affected, please tell me of more simular expereince you may have had, lol i hate feeling like things only happen to my car...
Just the back changed. I think the front suspension is completely symmetrical so it wouldn't change on lowering.
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i was just at the dealers today asking about that offset in the front , they are saying it was designed with a 3% offset drgree on purpose since the car tends to push to the either left or right(forgot what he said) and he said it doesnt hurt the alignment and that he could align it perfectly but there could be wear to the tires due to car pushing to one side more, so its not really something that he recommended "correcting" as its suppose to be this way. i dont know how much that is true but i will investigate with ford and look at other stock cars before they were lowered, never noticed that on mine before the lowering but i wasnt looking then, my friend actually pointed that out after the lowering was done. anyways will update when i know more...
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i was just at the dealers today asking about that offset in the front , they are saying it was designed with a 3% offset drgree on purpose since the car tends to push to the either left or right(forgot what he said) and he said it doesnt hurt the alignment and that he could align it perfectly but there could be wear to the tires due to car pushing to one side more, so its not really something that he recommended "correcting" as its suppose to be this way. i dont know how much that is true but i will investigate with ford and look at other stock cars before they were lowered, never noticed that on mine before the lowering but i wasnt looking then, my friend actually pointed that out after the lowering was done. anyways will update when i know more...
It may be completely true but I would be sceptical about anything you hear from a Ford dealer employee. Remember, these are the guys that say pinging (pre-detonation) is "normal" for our cars.
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For the record, the term is "pre-ignition," not "pre-detonation." Pre-ignition often occurs at light throttle and is due to inadequate octane for the amount of ignition advance. Detonation is much more serious and always occurs at full or near full throttle under heavy load when cylinder temperatures skyrocket, usually with forced induction. It is the result of two flame fronts colliding.
I had the Eibach Pro springs and anti-roll kit (same as FRPP) and my rear end was off, out to the driverside, with almost an inch... My Powerhouse (CHE) adj panhard bar took care of it!
There is no damage to your car or wheels from driving like that but it was driving ME crazy!!
I'm having a professional performance alignment done coming Tuesday... should be cool... hoping to notice a diff... and get rid of the 'tracking' I have...
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i wounder if a professional performance alignment will center my front wheels, although i would probebly check first if there is any truth to what the dealer says about how there should be a small degree offset cause the car tends to pull to one side more, sounds like bull***t to me....hahah
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they actaully told me that a panhard bar will not fix it and they showed me another mustang they did the package on that had a worse offset on the wheels...
i just hope that its noly something that is bugging me in the eyes more then an issue that needs to be fixed. any other ideas?
You need a adj panhard bar and yes it fixes it 100% A non adj panhard won't fix it.
Any body who has lowered their car and they say their 's is not out of align. Then obiviously don't know what they are looking for. All that are lowerd need the adj. panhard bar no if and or butts about it.
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i wounder if a professional performance alignment will center my front wheels, although i would probebly check first if there is any truth to what the dealer says about how there should be a small degree offset cause the car tends to pull to one side more, sounds like bull***t to me....hahah
The main adjustment that affects whether the car pulls one way or the other is toe which has nothing to do with the wheel-to-fender relationship. When you use terms like "3% offset drgree" and centering your front wheels I don't understand what you're talking about. If you mean can an alignment shop somehow equalize the distance between your front tires and fenders, the answer is no. BTW, you can easily confirm the fact that as the car is lowered the rearend shifts to the driver side and the front end doesn't move at all laterally by putting the car on a hoist. Lift the chassis up an inch and a half and it will be as it was before you lowered it. Then you can measure the distance between the sidewalls and fenders.
i understand about the rear end that it does affect it, but that doesnt bother me since i put spacers in the abck, but are you saying that the front was off before the lowering then? and what can i do about adjusting it, since the guy said he could even it out i guess with an alignment but that doesnt sound right to me that it could be fixed that way, anyways im about to just give up on that and let it be..lo since i know it doesnt affect drivibility or breaks anything.
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V8 - Have you checked to make sure that there is nothing between the front rotor hub and the wheel (spacer, retainer clips, etc.) which may be causing one side to be offset more than the other. I can't imagine what else would cause the front end to be off unless it is a bent frame or the body isn't mounted on the frame properly.
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there is nothing between the hub and the wheel, i doubt its a bent frame as well since my car has never been in any accident or anything that would make the frame bend, and i never noticed that offset before since its hard to notice unless you look for it and my friend was looking after i put the frpp handling package, but it very well could have been the same before and we havent noticed, will have it checked again by a different dealer to see what they think.
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so i just came back from the dealer, sopke to a mechanic who knows his job and finally figured out wy there is an offset in the front, its cause of the way the shop who lowered the car alignt is, they put more negative degree on one side as they usualy do cause the car do tend to sway more to one side and it keeps tire ware to minimal, but tey kind of put a bit higher degree which is not bad at all but bugs me in the eye and he said i should take it back to them and just ask for it to be even on both sides, its not a problem, cause all they did was to change te degree from the top of the wheel and its curved more in so it looks like one is more out and one is more in, but its only frmo the top cause of the way the alignment was done. gonna go back and have it fixed to be even or with a bit negative on one side.
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