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Old 10-16-2006   #1 (permalink)
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Question BMR Adjustable LCAs question

Okay, we all know that I upgraded my suspensions (springs, struts/shocks, swaybars, panhard bar, etc) sometime ago. I have to do the the LCAs. Now that winter is coming and the car is about to be put up for awhile, I am thinking now may be the tiem to upgrade the LCAs.

Could someone please explain to me the advantage of using adjustable LCAs vs. using nonadjustable LCAs? Also, is BMR the prefered brand?
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Pinion angle needs to be adjustable for few people. I used to drag race and had adjustable ladder bars to so I could change the amount of bite for different conditions. When it was hot and humid I increased pinion angle but, when it was nice I'd take some of the angle out, saving some torque to put on the track. I've never road raced but, I'd imagine that adjustability would be handy to have in the corners, also!
I believe I'd buy the upper link, for my car, and leave the lowers as solid as I could get'em.
Adjustable stuff gets to be more trouble and expense than a streeter needs but, it looks awesome to have ALL!
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So solid BMR LCAs will work as well (in most cases) as adjustabel LCAs? I already opted to go for the adjustable panhard bar, and although I currently have Saleen non-adjustable shocks, I am looking into the possiblity of going with Tokico D-specs adjustable shocks/struts. Now, for all practicle purposes, I am not a track racer, so would that much adjustablitiy (adjustable panhard bar, shocks, and LCAs) just complicate things?

My future plans consist of a supercharger, because I do like to have a bit of horsepower and I do get seduced into "friendly bouts of competition" from time to time (okay, I street race occassionally), and am interested in taking her to the track once in awhile, mostly just to see what can do, not as a regular occurance.

I understand the need to replace the stock LCAs with upgaded ones, I am just not fully understanding if I need to spend the extra money to get adjustable LCAs.
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Okay, we all know that I upgraded my suspensions (springs, struts/shocks, swaybars, panhard bar, etc) sometime ago. I have to do the the LCAs. Now that winter is coming and the car is about to be put up for awhile, I am thinking now may be the tiem to upgrade the LCAs.

Could someone please explain to me the advantage of using adjustable LCAs vs. using nonadjustable LCAs? Also, is BMR the prefered brand?
Ive got the BMR stuff, its great.. you wont regret getting them. Winter in your neck of the woods means RAIN RAIN RAIN... i use to do the same when i lived in the area... my car hated the rain.
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Yes people....but what about the practical differences between adjustable and non-adjustable LCA's - who benefits from an LCA adjustment, and who doesn't??

I'm lurking here- hoping for an answer that's on-point....!!
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Yes people....but what about the practical differences between adjustable and non-adjustable LCA's - who benefits from an LCA adjustment, and who doesn't??

I'm lurking here- hoping for an answer that's on-point....!!
I am with you on this one. I understand I will benefit significantly from installing upgraded LCAs, but I am not sure whether to adjustable LCAs or standard non-adjustable LCAs.

Besides going from track to street or street to track or various track conditions, when should you have adjustable LCAs. For example, I disocvered that when you lower your car, you will benefit more from an adjustable panhard bar due to the relocation of the suspensionparts. Although I do not have adjustable shockls, I understand that adjustable shocks allow you to adjust for ride height and/or various stiffnesses.
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I am with you on this one. I understand I will benefit significantly from installing upgraded LCAs, but I am not sure whether to adjustable LCAs or standard non-adjustable LCAs.

Besides going from track to street or street to track or various track conditions, when should you have adjustable LCAs. For example, I disocvered that when you lower your car, you will benefit more from an adjustable panhard bar due to the relocation of the suspensionparts. Although I do not have adjustable shockls, I understand that adjustable shocks allow you to adjust for ride height and/or various stiffnesses.
Adjustable LCAs help to better establish the vehicle's center and correct any issues with suspension angles--especially on lowered vehicles.
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Guys, I'm going to order some adjustable, rear, lower LCAs here soon and the reason that I am ordering adjustable ones is because I will be ordering and installing a one piece aluminum driveshaft. The adjustable LCAs will help me to keep the pinion angle correct since the pinion angle will change slightly going from a two piece driveshaft to a one piece. Also BMR does make great suspension pieces, but check out CHE since their rear LCAs look a little better than the BMRs. The BMRs are solid polyurethane (unless you get the rod ends) which will eventually squeak on you unless you keep them lubed...that's why they have grease fittings. The CHEs are made with Delrin and Poly and the Delrin makes it so that won't squeak and you shouldn't ever have to grease them. Also, the CHEs have a couple of clamps on the driver side LCA to hold the e brake cable and the BMR doesn't.
Check them out at http://www.cheperformance.com/cartge...pid=161&cid=15
Here is what CHE says about the Delrin/Poly design used:
Poly/Delrin Control Arm Bushings All of our control arms feature our exclusive Polyurethane/Delrin bushings. Best of both worlds You get all of the performance advantages of polyurethane and Delrin without the annoying squeaks of solid polyurethane, or the risk of torque box damage of solid Delrin. Low Maintenance Our Poly/Delrin bushings virtually eliminate the need for greasing. No more hassle of squeezing a jack under your car or dealing with messy grease guns. Low Friction The Delrin Bearing is machined to a high tolerance allowing an ideal clearance between the crush sleeve and the Delrin Bearing. This provides nearly friction free movement without compromising stability.

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Guys, I'm going to order some adjustable, rear, lower LCAs here soon and the reason that I am ordering adjustable ones is because I will be ordering and installing a one piece aluminum driveshaft. The adjustable LCAs will help me to keep the pinion angle correct since the pinion angle will change slightly going from a two piece driveshaft to a one piece. Also BMR does make great suspension pieces, but check out CHE since their rear LCAs look a little better than the BMRs. The BMRs are solid polyurethane (unless you get the rod ends) which will eventually squeak on you unless you keep them lubed...that's why they have grease fittings. The CHEs are made with Delrin and Poly and the Delrin makes it so that won't squeak and you shouldn't ever have to grease them. Also, the CHEs have a couple of clamps on the driver side LCA to hold the e brake cable and the BMR doesn't.
Check them out at http://www.cheperformance.com/cartge...pid=161&cid=15
Here is what CHE says about the Delrin/Poly design used:
Poly/Delrin Control Arm Bushings All of our control arms feature our exclusive Polyurethane/Delrin bushings. Best of both worlds You get all of the performance advantages of polyurethane and Delrin without the annoying squeaks of solid polyurethane, or the risk of torque box damage of solid Delrin. Low Maintenance Our Poly/Delrin bushings virtually eliminate the need for greasing. No more hassle of squeezing a jack under your car or dealing with messy grease guns. Low Friction The Delrin Bearing is machined to a high tolerance allowing an ideal clearance between the crush sleeve and the Delrin Bearing. This provides nearly friction free movement without compromising stability.
+1 on CHE products. I was up at Powerhouse in Girard, PA a few weeks back and saw them up close. I just got my new CHE LCAs this week.
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Cool, what type of ends did you get? Since my car will be used on the street most of the time by far, I'm going with the Delrin/poly on both ends so I don't get the clunking.
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Cool, what type of ends did you get? Since my car will be used on the street most of the time by far, I'm going with the Delrin/poly on both ends so I don't get the clunking.
Same... Non-adjustable.
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the only thint the adjustable LCA offers is that you can change your pinion angle and if you dont know what you are doing and havent changed the mounting position on your LCA's you really shouldnt need to do this. I would say go with the solid LCA's with the relocation brackets and then get an adjustable upper with the relocation bracket you will love it I have the BMR parts and have the lowers mounted only one notch down on the brackets (out of 2 possible mounting positions) and the car grips great no need to take it the next notch down but its there if i need it from adding more power.
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the only thint the adjustable LCA offers is that you can change your pinion angle and if you dont know what you are doing and havent changed the mounting position on your LCA's you really shouldnt need to do this. I would say go with the solid LCA's with the relocation brackets and then get an adjustable upper with the relocation bracket you will love it I have the BMR parts and have the lowers mounted only one notch down on the brackets (out of 2 possible mounting positions) and the car grips great no need to take it the next notch down but its there if i need it from adding more power.
Yeah snake that's exactly what I'm using it for...to make sure the pinion angle stays where it's supposed to when I swap in the new drive shaft. I'm not adjusting them to hook up better since it's a street car so I don't need the brackets and plus the pinion angle adjustment will be minor. And you're also right saying that you shouldn't mess with the angle if you don't know what you're doing, but it is extremely easy since all you need is an angle finder. Some guys get a cheap guage at a hardware store and compare the pinion angle vs a flat floor, but I'm going to do the more exact way with a guage the measures the true angle between the pinion and the shaft. The gauge is more expensive, but it's the right way to do it and I'll probably sell it when I'm done.
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I have the BMR adj. LCA's and the relocation brackets. Dropping the car 1" along with going to a single driveshaft, I wanted all the adjustability possible. I've had zero issue with the BMR products over the last year and a half.
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So if I understand you guys correctly, not only will I benefit from the use of any upgraded LCAs, but since my car is lowered, with upgraded suspension, inculding an adjustable panhard bar, I would benefit more from installing adjustable LCAs. Or is that you guys are just happy with your particular purchase, so it wont matter much if I use adjustable or non-adjustable LCAs? For example, I am not sure if K&N CAIs and/or Flowmaster exhaust are the best or not, but I am very happy with my purchase of each.
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