OK Guys, I've got about 4 grand put away for a motor build. i figure an average build takes 2-3 months am i correct? in that time i should be at or around 10 grand put away for the build/labor.
I'm looking to build something that can handle about 15-20 psi from my KB Blower as reliably as possible. I don't want to stress the motor more than needs be. if that means building a more powerful. stronger engine and not running it to its max, than so be it. I was thinking about possibly doing a stroker motor, maybe a 5.0L or a 5.2L, PnP heads, stage 3 cams, ect. Any suggestions on what to do or not do, what to look for or expect. i should add i have never done anything like this before and feel as if I'm over my head at the moment.
I want to use someone who can not only build/tune the motor but put it in for me as well. sorta looking for an all around shop to do it for me with minimal downtime. any suggestions?
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11.573@125.35 - Stock Motor
11.241@126.26 - Built Motor with fried clutch
I envy you my friend... Sounds like you've got a good plan. I'm sure Don & Chevykiller will have plenty of advice. Just soak it all in and do it up right!
Any suggestions on what to do or not do, what to look for or expect. i should add i have never done anything like this before and feel as if I'm over my head at the moment.
I want to use someone who can not only build/tune the motor but put it in for me as well. sorta looking for an all around shop to do it for me with minimal downtime. any suggestions?
I think you hit it right there... that is your first step. Figure out who and where. But don't limit yourself to an "all-around" shop. There may be someone like that near you, which would be perfect. But if not, you might consider an engine builder who's not local (like Boss330 for example), who could ship a motor to your local installer/tuner. The builder/tuner input on a project like this is important. And whatever you do there, don't skimp on quality.
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2005 Sonic Blue, a.k.a. "BAD 05 GT", Auto Trans (and damn proud of it!) Best 1/8 mi: 6.691 @ 103.04, DA= 1,166' (2-19-09) Best 1/4 mi: 10.37 @ 132.98 (3-14-08)
Kenne Bell 2.8L SC, Boss 5.0 Block w/Cobra crank, Diamond Pistons, Scat Rods, Livernois P&P Heads - Check out my Homepage for Full Mod List and Videos
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Originally Posted by bigwilly43729
HP numbers are good and all, but they are like asking someone how much they can bench. What difference does it make if I can still kick your a$$?
i want high end here. if I'm going to be shelling out this kind of dough i want to do it only once. i want strength. if that means cast iron over aluminum then fine i can deal with extra weight i will have the hp to move the car. i can sacrifice a tenth or 2 for strength no problem. its one of the reasons i went with the 9" rear over replacing and bracing the 8.8.
I was sorta leaning toward JDM because they are one of the only shops i know of in the Area that are all in one type deals. i can have them build the motor and when its ready drive the car down n have them plop it in. it would really minimize downtime greatly.
I have thought about Boss330, especially now that they are matched with Lethal Performance. My problem then would be finding someone in the area to install/tune it for me. im really not in the know here so i have no idea how to even find someone to do the work for me
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11.573@125.35 - Stock Motor
11.241@126.26 - Built Motor with fried clutch
I would go with Al anyday and for $1,000 over what JDM asks!
Ron's guys at Fox Lake Power Products also do fantastic work and have never had a failure rumor has it!!
Al or Ron (maybe even Jim) can tell you what you need, Al and Ron however WILL put it together the best!!
Find a race shop near by. I found mine on SCT Flash Devices - MORE Power . . . Period! localy. If they're any good you can find out about them, in addition they can handle shipping, install and of course the tune.
$10K will be about it for a good motor, good head P&P work with good internals and install/tune...
[Fox Lake built mine in a 4.6 S197 alu block and alu 3V heads, awesom guy to deal with and no problems so far! knock knock]
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Thanks to: Modular Depot Fox Lake Racing Tunable Induction Power House 411 Sun Coast Creations
FWIW - I am already headed down a similar road and everyone I talk to with a clue seems to repeat the same reasonable advice on stroking - stop at 5.0/302 on the stroke of a 4.6 block (even iron) if you are going for lots of power (700+RWHP).
In the past and now with this project, I found/find it very helpful to spend some time on the phone and/or in person chatting with each of your potential vendors about what you want to do - when you can compare the advice of one against another:
a. you will learn a lot
b. you will quickly start to get a sense of who can back it up and who can't
c. you often meet some really nice people...
Even more so than talking to us bozo's you need to talk to the guys who will be taking your money. It's ok to ask them stupid questions, that's what you are paying them for - they'll get over it (most of them)
Good luck!
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'05 GT Coupe - Under Construction - currently etching an "11" on the dial
'85 GT T-Top 351W N/A
Jim will tell you what you wanna hear... sorry, tried it!
Al will be straight fwd and honest but is hard to get a hold of.
Ron will give you the time and have the time as he doesn't do all himslef as Al seems to be very hands on...
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Is it worth the money to do a stroker to get the extra cubes and torque w/ a twinscrew supercharger or it just better to stick w/ stock stroke. I guess my question is...will a 5.0 be just as reliable as a 4.6? the reason I ask is because I am in the same boat right now...except I have a Teksid block and bare 3v heads. Right now I am still trying to decide if I am wanna stroker or not. I will be putting a whipple on it when its ready to go.
Is it worth the money to do a stroker to get the extra cubes and torque w/ a twinscrew supercharger or it just better to stick w/ stock stroke. I guess my question is...will a 5.0 be just as reliable as a 4.6? the reason I ask is because I am in the same boat right now...except I have a Teksid block and bare 3v heads. Right now I am still trying to decide if I am wanna stroker or not. I will be putting a whipple on it when its ready to go.
2005 Sonic Blue, a.k.a. "BAD 05 GT", Auto Trans (and damn proud of it!) Best 1/8 mi: 6.691 @ 103.04, DA= 1,166' (2-19-09) Best 1/4 mi: 10.37 @ 132.98 (3-14-08)
Kenne Bell 2.8L SC, Boss 5.0 Block w/Cobra crank, Diamond Pistons, Scat Rods, Livernois P&P Heads - Check out my Homepage for Full Mod List and Videos
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Originally Posted by bigwilly43729
HP numbers are good and all, but they are like asking someone how much they can bench. What difference does it make if I can still kick your a$$?
Jim will tell you what you wanna hear... sorry, tried it!
Al will be straight fwd and honest but is hard to get a hold of.
Ron will give you the time and have the time as he doesn't do all himslef as Al seems to be very hands on...
Actually, Al has fully retired from the fire department and is full time building motors! It used to be difficult to get him on the phone but since he retired, I've reached him every time I've called.
Isn't JDM moving to Texas anyways. It's not necessarily a bad thing. I'd, personally, be concerned with someone doing a lot of work and then they move. Now your back to square one and looking for a shop to do work on a car they have no knowledge of. I'm not trying to dirt JDM. Just something to consider in a project!
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05 Turbo GT
Lethal Performance
BMR Fabrication
Boss 330 Racing
Speedzone Performance
DiabloSport
LOL I just read that...it has good info. Well then I guess it will be stock for me then which will be cheaper anyways....I wanna go w/ this combo for the bottom end: forged cobra crank, cp pistons, manley rods w/ arp 2000 bolts (stock 03/04 cobra ones).
Don_W,
Did you get the full treatment on your heads by Livernois? IE: bronze valve guides, springs, retainers and such? And if so how much if you don't mind? I have some bare heads now and I want to get an idea of what it will run money wise...pm me if you don't want to post the info please.
Yes, I got the top of the line Livernois heads. But I didn't pay retail, and I promised I wouldn't say how much. Besides, that was almost a year ago and prices have changed since then.
Give Mike Schropp at Livernois a call, and tell him I sent you. Not sure if it will save you any $$, but Mike is a great guy and knows his stuff.
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2005 Sonic Blue, a.k.a. "BAD 05 GT", Auto Trans (and damn proud of it!) Best 1/8 mi: 6.691 @ 103.04, DA= 1,166' (2-19-09) Best 1/4 mi: 10.37 @ 132.98 (3-14-08)
Kenne Bell 2.8L SC, Boss 5.0 Block w/Cobra crank, Diamond Pistons, Scat Rods, Livernois P&P Heads - Check out my Homepage for Full Mod List and Videos
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Originally Posted by bigwilly43729
HP numbers are good and all, but they are like asking someone how much they can bench. What difference does it make if I can still kick your a$$?
Does anyone sell a turn key "built" crate motor for the S197? i think it might be better to buy something like that and just do a motor swap and maybe sell your stock motor? I know when i had my Camaro, i bought a Lingenfelter 383 turn key that was shipped to a local shop and they just fliped the motors for me, then i sold my stock LT1 to a local guy for 3K. Just an idea??
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2006 Deluxe GT 5 Spd Manual Tungsen Grey with black painted stripes, 20 x 10 konig beyonds, kw V3 coil over kit, BMR Chomoly Panhard rod, BMR Boxed Subrames, BMR Upper Strut, BMR lower control arms, BMR Upper Control Arm, Eibach Sway bars, Prothane Eurethane bushing kit. Bassani cat back.w/ x-pipe + hi flow cats, Roush Rear Spoiler, Street Scene Body kit,Street scene grille, 3D carbon louvers, HID system, Raptor Shiftlight with Speed of sound pillar guage, C&L with Preditor 91 Custom Tune
Does anyone sell a turn key "built" crate motor for the S197? i think it might be better to buy something like that and just do a motor swap and maybe sell your stock motor? I know when i had my Camaro, i bought a Lingenfelter 383 turn key that was shipped to a local shop and they just fliped the motors for me, then i sold my stock LT1 to a local guy for 3K. Just an idea??
Yes... quite a few companies sell complete SBs and/or LBs. I mentioned Boss330 in post #3.
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2005 Sonic Blue, a.k.a. "BAD 05 GT", Auto Trans (and damn proud of it!) Best 1/8 mi: 6.691 @ 103.04, DA= 1,166' (2-19-09) Best 1/4 mi: 10.37 @ 132.98 (3-14-08)
Kenne Bell 2.8L SC, Boss 5.0 Block w/Cobra crank, Diamond Pistons, Scat Rods, Livernois P&P Heads - Check out my Homepage for Full Mod List and Videos
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Originally Posted by bigwilly43729
HP numbers are good and all, but they are like asking someone how much they can bench. What difference does it make if I can still kick your a$$?
Does anyone sell a turn key "built" crate motor for the S197? i think it might be better to buy something like that and just do a motor swap and maybe sell your stock motor? I know when i had my Camaro, i bought a Lingenfelter 383 turn key that was shipped to a local shop and they just fliped the motors for me, then i sold my stock LT1 to a local guy for 3K. Just an idea??
Actually, Lethal Performance just started working with Boss 330 Racing on crate motors. I'd give them a call or you can PM them on most of the forums.
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05 Turbo GT
Lethal Performance
BMR Fabrication
Boss 330 Racing
Speedzone Performance
DiabloSport
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