I don't want to beat a dead horse here but I have kooks headers with cats, BBK 62 TB, and delete plates but havent had time to put them on yet. I already have the C&L cold air intake with Diablo tune. I really am not sure if I want to go the S/C route because of the issue of taking the chance of blowing the stock motor to pieces so I really would like to just get the most out of my N/A motor without going bankrupt. I have read through this thread and realize about 350rwhp is all I can reasonably hope for without S/C or T/C. There is only one other mod I am thinking of doing anytime soon and that is going with a cam. What is your recommendation as to brand and size? Part number? And if I do go with the cam along with the other mods I havent got on the car yet, will any of these be a negative if I do decide to S/C? I know the C&L will have to go but anything else? I only drive the car when the weather is nice and when I just want to have fun so it doesnt have to be really mild manored on the street but if I did decide to take a 300 mile trip I would like to be able to do that without problems.
If you go with cams, I'd recommend the stage 3 Comp Cams. They are about the ideal lift and duration. If you supercharge later, the delete plates would have to go (if you go with a twin screw). If you went with a CF s/c, the plates could stay.
any word on when C&L is going to be selling their new intake manifold
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If you go with cams, I'd recommend the stage 3 Comp Cams. They are about the ideal lift and duration. If you supercharge later, the delete plates would have to go (if you go with a twin screw). If you went with a CF s/c, the plates could stay.
I was reading on http://www.brenspeed.com/tech/compcams.html in which they installed Part #127300 in thier car and dynoed 347 rwhp. This figure is the same as you have said your car makes and indeed what they have done to their car seems very similar to what you have done to yours. One difference is they say that the cam is very mild whereas you have said yours is pretty rough. Just wondering if you used Part #127350. Also, does the cam configuration really make a whole lot of difference with forced induction anyway? By the way, love your car. I am thinking about doing the stripes on mine too.
I was reading on 2005 MUSTANG GT COMP CAMS TEST? in which they installed Part #127300 in thier car and dynoed 347 rwhp. This figure is the same as you have said your car makes and indeed what they have done to their car seems very similar to what you have done to yours. One difference is they say that the cam is very mild whereas you have said yours is pretty rough. Just wondering if you used Part #127350. Also, does the cam configuration really make a whole lot of difference with forced induction anyway? By the way, love your car. I am thinking about doing the stripes on mine too.
Mine are very, very mild compared to those. In fact the idle on mine is almost indetectable from stock. I'm right at 347 but that's with a few additional goodies.
David at Brinspeed said that the idle was very smooth on the 127300. He basically said the same thing as you do. I thought that I had read that you car idled rough but it must have been someone else. I talked to the guys at Comp Cams and he, Chris I think, said that there was a very slight noticable difference at idle. He also said that the more radical cam, the 127350 would not be a good choice as it would mess up.............uh something. Whatever controls the variable camshaft timing. Don't remember the terminology. You probably know what I am talking about even though I dont. Anyway, I am leaning toward this setup. I am from the old school and while I know that ultimately it is cheaper and more effective to go with a SC, I just like trying to get the most out a NA motor. I noticed that you have the delete plates on your car. Is this something you would recommend from your experiece knowing that basically the mods you have made on your engine are the same as I plan to make on mine?
Delete plates are good to pair with a more agressive cam since anything to help it breathe better is good. Long tube headers also help since if you take more air in, you need to let more air out
I have kooks long tubes with cats, the delete plates, bbk throttle body, underdrive pulleys.............I have just got so much work to do I havent got the time to install them. Sucks! It really is driving me crazy, but by the time I do get around to putting them on I will have accumulated plenty of knowledge to do the installations the easiest and quickest possible way. Havent gotten the cam and hardware yet but probably will by the time I get to put the other stuff on. Brenspeed has the whole shebang for $999 with free shipping. Best deal I have found.
I have kooks long tubes with cats, the delete plates, bbk throttle body, underdrive pulleys.............I have just got so much work to do I havent got the time to install them. Sucks! It really is driving me crazy, but by the time I do get around to putting them on I will have accumulated plenty of knowledge to do the installations the easiest and quickest possible way. Havent gotten the cam and hardware yet but probably will by the time I get to put the other stuff on. Brenspeed has the whole shebang for $999 with free shipping. Best deal I have found.
Cam installs are not a real good garage mod. Originalsnake did his own and had a heck of a time. I paid to have mine done and was sure glad I did. I wouldn't even install another set of longtubes in my garage. I still have nightmares over that mod
Mark cams are a good idea or a bad idea for my set up? Keep in mind no matter what I do next winter I will re do the bottom end of the motor.
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For a real boots in performace, decreased timed runs, etc., I would recommend a supercharger. All the stage 3 stuff is Ok for performance, however, as some have noted, it may not be a fun daily driver, and could become a gas guzler.
I would recommend a supercharger, installed an tuned by alternative auto performance. Go to www.alternativeauto.com. They offer a Vortech, centrifugal supercharger, with an alcohol injection kit, that produces 470 RWHP, with 400 RWTQ. They also offer a Whipple 2.3L screw type blower that produces 450 RWHP and 450 RWTQ. With the Whipple, it starts to produce 350 lbs. of RWTQ at 2000 rpms, and 400 lbs. of RWTQ at 3000 rpms. That kind of boost allows you to run 10's on a 1/4 mile track. Also, this is done to a completely stock engine; no other mods needed.
Alternative Auto is known for doing engine/performance mods that are enhanced performace minded, but with conservative increases; in other words, they are not looking at sqeezing out every possible horsepower increase, only to blow your engine in one month. These modifications are done with engine durability/longevity in mind. Most of the cars they work on are daily drivers for the owners of those cars, so their reputation would have to be good in order to keep business.
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2005 Premium GT, Redfire, 5-speed, dark charcoal leather interior, IUP, 500 watt Shaker stereo, 17" Bullit wheels, rear spoiler
Engine upgrades: Alternative Auto Performance tune, C & L cold air induction kit
Exterior and Interior upgrades: Flameball Raspberry hair design shifter knob, custom 'GT' floor mats, Steeta satin finished door locks, temperature controls and voltage plug, Street Scene rear quarter louves, and Astra Hammond rear window louvers
Cam installs are not a real good garage mod. Originalsnake did his own and had a heck of a time. I paid to have mine done and was sure glad I did. I wouldn't even install another set of longtubes in my garage. I still have nightmares over that mod
I do know what you mean and I very well may have the headers installed by someone else. My drag racing days have taken their toll on my neck and I don't do real well laying under a car now days. I may also have the cams installed as well although I have always enjoyed the mechanical side of modifying a car as much as driving it afterwards. Dave at Brenspeed told me that the cams were a tedious install and took a few hours because, if for no other reason, there is so little room to work. If business doesnt slow down soon I will have someone else do all of it just to get it done. I have some young guys in the building next to me that are real whizzes with super chargers and turbos and do really professional work and I may just let them do it all for me. Appreciate your help and input. Its obvious that you know your stuff.
Mark cams are a good idea or a bad idea for my set up? Keep in mind no matter what I do next winter I will re do the bottom end of the motor.
Ok, I'm still a newbie, but what does it mean to have the "bottom end" redone? I have a co-worker with a 03 Cobra that says he has to have his redone or he scared he will blow up the motor. He was talking 8-10K+ after labor and all that other good stuff. I know he was basically getting at that the engine couldn't handle what he was giving it and that he was going to tear it up, but I didn't understand the specifics. Sorry for changing the subject, but I don't want to blow up the Stang because I was stupid. Thanks again.
