Wow, Cerino, that is a ton of info. I hope that one day I'll be able to make proper use of it in my future tunning. That post must've taken at least a full day to write, thanks for taking that time out to help everyone. See ya.
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2007 Vista Blue GT, Manual, Steeda Underdrive Pulley, Steeda Ultralight Springs, Flowmaster 40’s, Steeda Cold Air Intake, Diablo Predator Tuner
If someone decides they want to get into your tune without having any experience, then that is their own fault. More power too them for trying as we all had to do it at one time.
It never happens like this. I happens like this, So and so tuned my car and I went out to the track and it blew up! Don not buy or go to so and so for tuning or anything else.
Never a mention of they messed with the tune. Also, some think a tune is a mirical way to fix problems they are having and it is not.
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10.308 @ 131 for now on a street car with A/C
NMRA #12015 SST
Looking for 9's on the stock motor before April-'09
I have and are having good luck with my MAFia extender! Tried a PMAS unit but the noise was horible and we had to return it.
Ken started tuning the S197 on my car and I have 100's of runs on her. He was quite humble in the beginning even after taking classes from SCT and talking direct with them over and over again working on my car. I was always impressed with the resoult though (came here to compare RWHP #'s to make sure I got what I should have. ) The S197 is finicky to say the least and I don't understand guys that just plug in a canned tune think all is fine and drive... now the tuners 'compete' in RWHP #'s and ppl are getting leaner and leaner tunes... beware!! Oh and you guys probably around my knowledge level making your own tunes... you're nuts!
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KJ, poorer but happier
Thanks to: Modular Depot Fox Lake Racing Tunable Induction Power House 411 Sun Coast Creations
Ok, but consider what you said above about most people aren't ever going to tune their own cars anways. I'm old school hotrodder in the sense that if someone needs a hand, heck ya I'll help them for the love of the sport. Not for the love of the money.
If someone decides they want to get into your tune without having any experience, then that is their own fault. More power too them for trying as we all had to do it at one time.
Rule #1 the owner is ultimately responsible to do his research before chosing his tuner.
If they chose the proper tuner the tuner will do all in his power to keep the car together.
When everything goes wrong you can be sure that the same tuner who hasn't a clue as to what he's doing is the same one who will blame the car and walk away.
Here is a good example of what occurs when tuning goes wrong. It's been over a year and the car is still not up and running yet.
If you're wondering what kind of research I did before I took the leap it goes something like this.
research on the internet from April 2005 till August 2005.
Go to Fun Ford Weekend in Epping NH. and meet Jim Sr. and Jim Jr. watch the car run as well as the 15-20 customer Lightnings.
Speak to as many customers as possible as to their experiences.
Do more research on the net as to what the car is running as well as following what customers are saying for the next 10 months.
Speak to a local owner who has a JDM prepared Lightning.
July of 2006 drive the 400 miles and visit their shop. Place my order
Pick up my kit at FFW Epping 2006
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05 White GT Premium 5 Sp. IUP, Active Alarm
BMR, C&L, Centerforce, Fidanza, FRPP, GI Joe, JBA, JDM Engineering, LPW, Saleen, SCT, Steeda, SOS
I have and are having good luck with my MAFia extender! Tried a PMAS unit but the noise was horible and we had to return it.
Ken started tuning the S197 on my car and I have 100's of runs on her. He was quite humble in the beginning even after taking classes from SCT and talking direct with them over and over again working on my car. I was always impressed with the resoult though (came here to compare RWHP #'s to make sure I got what I should have. ) The S197 is finicky to say the least and I don't understand guys that just plug in a canned tune think all is fine and drive... now the tuners 'compete' in RWHP #'s and ppl are getting leaner and leaner tunes... beware!! Oh and you guys probably around my knowledge level making your own tunes... you're nuts!
A good respectable tuner has your best intentions in mind.
A good tuner also has his reputation to uphold.
Here's a good install article on a Saleen/JDM blower install on BlownCobraGirls S197.
She is the fiancee of Eric Brooks who owns ModularFords.
He works for SCT yet they only put down 435/435.
They didn't set out to put down the highest numbers but a conservative tune.
It's all in what the customer wants.
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05 White GT Premium 5 Sp. IUP, Active Alarm
BMR, C&L, Centerforce, Fidanza, FRPP, GI Joe, JBA, JDM Engineering, LPW, Saleen, SCT, Steeda, SOS
That is true!! A good SAFE tune from a good tuner was all I wanted. Asked around and was pointed to Ken at MD and he has been awesome! Sometimes it's frustrating when he's always SO safe but thinking of it it's all good!! Ken is good friends with Eric and they spend hours on end on the phone on tuning...
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KJ, poorer but happier
Thanks to: Modular Depot Fox Lake Racing Tunable Induction Power House 411 Sun Coast Creations
Wow, that is one heck of a long thread. What's the short version on what happened?
Short version was tuner didn't know what he was doing.
Water was pouring out the intake elbow.
Tuner says it's condensation.
Car starts bucking and tuner tries to push through.
Engine blows and Ted is even given a $500.00 bill on the way out if I recall correctly.
Car is then towed to the ranch which makes working on it a long term affair.
Car gets running a few months ago with budget, and time constraints.
Timing issues force the removal of the front cover.
Timing issues resolved and cover installed.
Leak in timing cover forces removal once again.
Find out that block supplied by MMR is not compatible with the front cover of the 05+ cars.
Modification of front cover begins and now looks like a manlove ad. http://www.modularfords.com/forums/t...art-78416.html
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BMR, C&L, Centerforce, Fidanza, FRPP, GI Joe, JBA, JDM Engineering, LPW, Saleen, SCT, Steeda, SOS
This tune and the numbers are it gave out are strictly a testing setup.
You bet they are rich and I requested the tune to learn from.
And thats what I got plus a lot more.
Although I will tell you this tune is whoop arse!
But it has a built in learning curve.
I need to log a lot more data to see what I am really doing.
And control the conditions a bit too.
I be edikating meself.
I blew right past this post. See, actually, we are on the same page on this. I can only imagine what it takes and to me it's just not a good idea as there are so many variables that you just can't consider accurately without the car being there with you. The only way around it is to do a conservative tune which while it will be much safer, the cost of it is the fact that there is more power to be had. That power can be found and used properly by having the car with the tuner while it's being tuned, not via the mail.
Maybe I'm too worrysome about it. I HAVE to know what the car is doing or it will drive me nuts wondering.
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Originally Posted by DynoJoe
A Successful Mail order tune is one that makes a difference SAFELY! To do mail order tuning is not something everyone can do, for those that like to scrutenize mail order tuners, they need to realize what it takes. To tune your one car, is great, to tune the same type of car is over and over is easy. How ever, try tuning a Procharged car over the phone with the owner not knowing what to look for and just sending you datalogs with No A/F, we have to go by what we know and what we see as far as the STFT and the LTFT's are. LTFT's don't really matter under WOT so alot of folks tune for WOt, drivability is the key to a good mail order tuner as well as making power safely.
Not me.
One thing I despise about todays internet is the lack of information available now. In the past it was much better, just not as diverse.
Now it is just a big ad.
Forums are the new information source.
I blew right past this post. See, actually, we are on the same page on this. I can only imagine what it takes and to me it's just not a good idea as there are so many variables that you just can't consider accurately without the car being there with you. The only way around it is to do a conservative tune which while it will be much safer, the cost of it is the fact that there is more power to be had. That power can be found and used properly by having the car with the tuner while it's being tuned, not via the mail.
Maybe I'm too worrysome about it. I HAVE to know what the car is doing or it will drive me nuts wondering.
I;ve done procharged car as well as other FI cars via email and as long as the owner can show me what the car is doing and send me some good datalogs I can get it pretty much 99.99999999999% on and with a dyno and the extra charge for it, I can get the other 0.01% for them, but why?
I do know my limits on emai tuning and will not even try to tune something that I don't feel confident I can get almost perfect with some good communication from the owner.
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10.308 @ 131 for now on a street car with A/C
NMRA #12015 SST
Looking for 9's on the stock motor before April-'09
what i still dont understand is how kenne bell s/c (2.4 and 2.6)can run a base tune with a max timing of 25* on these cars , while saleens is at 16*. purhaps its the BAP adding more fuel, but put the same boost and BAP couldnt we push the TIMING closer to K.B's? i dont know what whipples base timing is, anyone? vynle
what i still dont understand is how kenne bell s/c (2.4 and 2.6)can run a base tune with a max timing of 25* on these cars , while saleens is at 16*. purhaps its the BAP adding more fuel, but put the same boost and BAP couldnt we push the TIMING closer to K.B's? i dont know what whipples base timing is, anyone? vynle
Anyone have an answer for this? This is a good question.
) The S197 is finicky to say the least and I don't understand guys that just plug in a canned tune think all is fine and drive... now the tuners 'compete' in RWHP #'s and ppl are getting leaner and leaner tunes... beware!! Oh and you guys probably around my knowledge level making your own tunes... you're nuts! 
Ken is good friends with Eric and they spend hours on end on the phone on tuning... 
