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Old 06-21-2005   #61 (permalink)
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I ordered my '05 from Sanderson Ford. The salesman said that they don't sell above invoice. It did iratate me that when I said I had cash, looking to bargain, he replied that it didn't matter becasue they get incentives back from using Ford Credit so they prefer those customers.
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first of all my i say its bull crap second let me say that where i live its $4k - i dont kno what to think - but the sad thing is that we will still pay that much for it and not say a word to them
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Well, on principle it sucks. But for those of us that got a GT for no higher than MSRP, it's great. I feel like the resale value of these cars will be higher because of it, and since I am thinking of trading in or selling for a GTR when available, that makes me happy. But maybe I'm off-base, I'm no economist.

I had a pretty good experience. I searched my entire state (CA) for the car I wanted. I found the EXACT car I wanted about 500 miles away. The color I wanted, the right package and options, and none of the options I didn't like (overpriced stereo upgrade, anyone?). The car was the dealer's (Albany Ford Subaru in Albany, ca) only GT. Sitting in their showroom and amazingly unsold. The sales manager ("Sonny") quoted me $4500 over MSRP. I told him I really wanted the car, but could not go over MSRP on principle. He easily backed down to MSRP, simply asking me for some good publicity in my area. My experience was very good: he had asked me for a $4000 deposit, but even though I declined to give it, he still held it for me for an entire week(had to wait for the weekend to drive there) on my word alone. He really took a chance. He even had a "Sold" sign on the car when I arrived, which panicked me at first, thinking he had sold it from under me. But no, when questioned he said "Sold to YOU". No muss, no fuss. No added charges or sneaky stuff at all. As I was signing the papers I watched customer after customer walk in to ask about the car. Some of them actually gave me dirty looks when I was indicated as the buyer. That was great The salesman and I laughed about it and he showed me his contact list for that VIN: pages upon pages.
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I buy on Z plan so I will never pay too much for a car. I can sit tight and wait.. That said I saw a Mineral gray 05 Gt (new) with bullits and no IUP for , hangon to your hats on this one $10,000 over sticker.. NOT THATS B.S.
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Sorry dealer was Currie Motors in Frankfort, Illinois
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Paid 3 grand over msrp and smiled all the way home running through the 5speed...what can I say I had to have that car and it was the only one like it I could find in all of LA. I just have more money that brains. Why save money, you can always make more.
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Ummmm, sure. But at the same time that's 3K towards a S/C or something. Many of us do not have the luxury of having too much money to the point that we are that willling to overpay for something.

... Just my two cents... As long as your happy, the rest of us are happy!!!
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Waxed05, no, you're right. I'm a bit po'd I HAD to spend 3250 over. But I searched and searched all over LA and it was the only BLK/GRAY prem 5 sp coupe I could find. And heck they wanted 5g over and another dealer here in la wanted 8 g over. however they at least did add some tackey weels.... Now of course I could have walked away and I did for half a day and kept looking and then when I went back a bunch of guys were all over the car It's the only GT the bloodsucking dealer had so if I wanted the car I had to act. I consider it my "Have to have it now! price". Looking back from what I hear many people will not have their long standing orders filled so in the long run it's a bit of wasted money but at least I have one of only 80.000 05 built. Ford is making 180,000 06's so we have the first ones something to be said for that. I wanted this car the second I saw it at the 03 car shows and for a price it's in my garage. And Waxed05 believe me when I spent another 3 grand for wheels and tires last week I got all po'd again thinking about that over sticker I paid. Like you said that was a big peice of the SC I'm now trying to save for. Boy! I'd sure like to have that extra money I gave the dealer but I'm still happy I have my ride.
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It sounds like you have gotten enjoyment out of the car, and in the end that's what really matters. I hope to have the same good experiences with it as you are having. And yes, you are one of the few (at least the minority) of people cruising in an '05 GT. Rock on!!!
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Waxed05, no, you're right. I'm a bit po'd I HAD to spend 3250 over. But I searched and searched all over LA and it was the only BLK/GRAY prem 5 sp coupe I could find. And heck they wanted 5g over and another dealer here in la wanted 8 g over. however they at least did add some tackey weels.... Now of course I could have walked away and I did for half a day and kept looking and then when I went back a bunch of guys were all over the car It's the only GT the bloodsucking dealer had so if I wanted the car I had to act. I consider it my "Have to have it now! price". Looking back from what I hear many people will not have their long standing orders filled so in the long run it's a bit of wasted money but at least I have one of only 80.000 05 built. Ford is making 180,000 06's so we have the first ones something to be said for that. I wanted this car the second I saw it at the 03 car shows and for a price it's in my garage. And Waxed05 believe me when I spent another 3 grand for wheels and tires last week I got all po'd again thinking about that over sticker I paid. Like you said that was a big peice of the SC I'm now trying to save for. Boy! I'd sure like to have that extra money I gave the dealer but I'm still happy I have my ride.
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Someone correct my numbers if I'm wrong. I'm sure you will but back it up with a link. Ford made 80,000 05s not 192,000. Hence the rampant (spell check) mark up we all complain about. ( I saw 10 markups in LA today alone) The whole suppy and demand theory. Next year Ford will make double the cars (the 160,000 that I mentioned) and then perhaps the dealers won't have the balls to mark these cars up and buyers will have plenty to choose from. Thoughts?
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waxed05, the 06 blue GT will be awesome can't wait to you announce you have it. Lets us know.
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Waxed05, no, you're right. I'm a bit po'd I HAD to spend 3250 over. But I searched and searched all over LA and it was the only BLK/GRAY prem 5 sp coupe I could find. And heck they wanted 5g over and another dealer here in la wanted 8 g over. however they at least did add some tackey weels.... Now of course I could have walked away and I did for half a day and kept looking and then when I went back a bunch of guys were all over the car It's the only GT the bloodsucking dealer had so if I wanted the car I had to act. I consider it my "Have to have it now! price". Looking back from what I hear many people will not have their long standing orders filled so in the long run it's a bit of wasted money but at least I have one of only 80.000 05 built. Ford is making 180,000 06's so we have the first ones something to be said for that. I wanted this car the second I saw it at the 03 car shows and for a price it's in my garage. And Waxed05 believe me when I spent another 3 grand for wheels and tires last week I got all po'd again thinking about that over sticker I paid. Like you said that was a big peice of the SC I'm now trying to save for. Boy! I'd sure like to have that extra money I gave the dealer but I'm still happy I have my ride.
This Pony is alot like trying to get the hawt chick. You have to grovel a bit, kiss a bit of bum at times, shell out some cash, and wrestle with second thoughts on what you are doing but, once you got her stabled, man-o-man, Grins-R-Us.

I posted many months ago, these '05 GT's are well worth every penny you can get 'em for. These new sheet design Pony's are worth over $30,000+ when you consider what you get and what little it takes to make 'em scream and what you get for $30k now a days.
I have about $3,000 invested into all mods (28 + 3 k = $31,000) and my Pony is so quick on the street with stock tires, I hesitate now to even need a supercharger. I can't even keep the current setup hooked through 2 gears and barking in 3rd. Not even counting the looks I have with exterior mods (currently doing more).
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Here is some info from April 2005. Of course actual production numbers for MY2005 won't be available until after 2005 production ends in a couple weeks:

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Automotive News / April 04, 2005 / By Amy Wilson

Orders for a Mustang GT might not be filled before the model year ends.

DETROIT -- As problems go, this is a pretty good one to have. Still, Ford Motor Co. sales executives are having a devil of a time figuring out how to feed America's raging Mustang fever.

From affluent teenagers to nostalgic baby boomers, buyers are clamoring for the retro-styled 2005 Mustang. Incentives are nonexistent, dealers are turning pony cars from their lots in three weeks, and Ford is raking in profits.

So what's the problem? Ford vastly underestimated the appetite for snazzy interior upgrades and the GT model's 300-hp V-8 engine. And Ford's ability to crank up production of those options is limited.

That creates other challenges. For instance, how does Ford equitably allocate cars to dealerships? And how do dealerships retain eager, cash-in-hand customers when they might not be able to fill an order for the rest of model year?

Although the GT is the hottest Mustang, the V-6 is selling briskly as well. It takes a dealer an average of only 11 days to turn a GT - but the turn time for a V-6 is a still-quick 22 days, Ford says.

Some dealers are turning to extreme measures to get Mustangs.

Bill Summers Ford in North Platte, Neb., bid more than sticker price for two used Mustang GTs in one week. And the dealership, which has taken delivery of only one 2005 Mustang so far, still didn't win the auctions.

"I got so angry I walked away," said used-car manager Matt Smith after bidding on a red GT with 5,307 miles at a March 24 Manheim auction in Denver. The car, which had an original sticker price of around $27,000, according to dealers, ended up selling wholesale for $29,900.

Paying over sticker for a used car sounds crazy. But Smith said customers are so eager for Mustangs that dealers can recoup their money. "On a daily basis, we have someone calling and looking for a GT," he said.

Martin Gubbels of Big Sky Ford-Lincoln-Mercury in Torrington, Wyo., was prepared to sacrifice his only 2005 Mustang convertible allocation to satisfy a long-standing retail order on a GT coupe. In the end, he didn't have to. Facing a long wait for the car, the coupe customer backed out.

Gubbels sold the convertible at full sticker price to a customer who qualifies for Ford's X-plan discount price but didn't want to wait for an X-plan order to be scheduled.

John Nielsen of Nielsen Ford-Mercury in Bloomer, Wis., recently bought a GT from another dealer for $100 less than the sticker price. He sold the car at sticker, making no money in the deal but showing Ford that he can move Mustangs.

"We were trying to earn allocation so we could get these retail orders in the order bank," Nielsen said.

But Nielsen is among hundreds of dealers who probably won't get all their GT orders filled during the waning months of the model year. The sales mix is already 38 percent GT, compared with around 33 percent GT in past years. But the unscheduled order bank contains almost 61 percent GTs, Ford says.

"It's safe to say demand is well above our ability to supply it at this point," said George Pipas, Ford's sales analysis and reporting manager.

There is a positive side to all this, Ford executives say. Pent-up demand should keep the redesigned Mustang strong well beyond its launch year

"While some customers are going to have to wait," Pipas said, "it smoothes out the period of strong sales for the product, which means you can avoid putting on higher incentives for a longer period of time."

Dealers are delighted to have the redesigned Mustang, especially since Ford's car stable has been so weak in recent years. But some are grumbling about allocation. Ford's smallest dealers may only get a few Mustangs for the entire model year. Some have been told not to expect any more GTs.

Ford guaranteed at least one 2005 Mustang to each of its 3,500 U.S. dealers. The automaker's "turn and earn" philosophy means the bulk of allocation has gone to metropolitan stores and dealers in the Sunbelt states, where a rear-drive sports car sells even in the winter.

"I would like to see more of them come to rural dealers because the Mustang is a hot product on every street corner in America, not just metropolitan areas," Gubbels said.

With the start of spring, Ford is shifting more deliveries to the northern states.

Ford is "allocating Mustang based on previous dealer sales," said Ben Poore, Ford Division car marketing manager. "We've got to allocate in the fairest way possible."

Ford already has pumped up capacity for the Mustang's interior upgrade package, which features an aluminum-covered dash and customized instrument panel lighting. Demand is nearly 50 percent, compared with a take rate originally forecast to be in the teens. The aluminum dash supplier added robots in February, and Ford says it now is closer to meeting demand.

Poore also says Ford is working on turning up GT production any way it can. He wouldn't give specifics on how much output could rise.

"We'll get up as high as we can within the boundaries of our engine capacity and axle capacity," he said.

Ford says it will build at least 192,000 Mustangs this year in part by scheduling overtime at its Mazda joint venture plant in Flat Rock, Mich. Ford expects to sell up to 165,000 Mustangs in the United States and 10,000 or more in Canada in 2005.

But dealers and customers shouldn't expect the mix to swing wildly to the GT, which shares its 4.6-liter engine with other Ford vehicles - notably the F-150 pickup. The automaker isn't likely to sacrifice higher-margin F-150 sales for more Mustang GTs.

The Romeo, Mich., engine plant, which makes the V-8, is not currently on overtime.

Ford already increased prices in January, something the company says was planned before the car went on sale in October. The base GT jumped from $24,995, including destination charges, to $25,570. The base V-6 went from $19,410 to $19,770.

The average selling price on a 2005 Mustang in February was $23,480, according to industry researcher Edmunds.com. For the 2005 model year, the average Mustang is selling for $27 below the sticker price, Ford says. Dealers can make more on eBay, where some GTs are selling for more than sticker price.

The shortage of GTs mean lost income for Ford dealers, who already saw profits slide in 2004 and early this year. "If we could get the right number of GTs, it would mean increased profits for Ford Motor Co., and some of the dealer profit problems will be worked out," Gubbels said. "But you can only sell what they can build."


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Someone correct my numbers if I'm wrong. I'm sure you will but back it up with a link. Ford made 80,000 05s not 192,000. Hence the rampant (spell check) mark up we all complain about. ( I saw 10 markups in LA today alone) The whole suppy and demand theory. Next year Ford will make double the cars (the 160,000 that I mentioned) and then perhaps the dealers won't have the balls to mark these cars up and buyers will have plenty to choose from. Thoughts?
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RD3, you are so right. To me I do think the car is worth the sticker plus the 3 I paid because it was the ONLY new car I liked that I could afford. Any other car I'd even think about are either 3x or even 10x the price of my GT and those are my dream supercars. One day perhaps! Anyway I'm in 28g plus the 3g markup (I'm an idiot for not looking out of LA) plus 3 grand in mods thus far consisting of 20" wheels, Nitto 275/35/20 tires, pro-kit lowering, and tint for a grand total of 34 Grand. When I'm done I'm sure I'll have over 40g in when and if I supercharge. That being said I still feel I'll have a pretty cool and fast car for the money and as long as I'll be able to smoke most rice, a vette or two, the charger, GTO and if lucky, a Porsche once and a while, I'll be fine...oh, and lets not forget those peskey BMWs. And GREGM thanks for the great link setting me straight on the production numbers.
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