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Old 01-21-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Default Kenne Bell Big Bore 2.6L: Best Supercharger Available for the S197?

We recently refinanced the house, therefore we had a bit of unexpected money. So my wife says, “Do you still want that power thing?”. By “power thing” she meant the supercharger I’ve been dreaming and drooling over since I first knew they were available for the S197, and more precisely, since I first knew they existed at all when I saw one for the first time at the drag strip as a young boy. Then she says, “make sure you get the one you really want so we never have to buy another one". I thought I was dreaming but I wasn’t.

So I have the green light to get the best supercharger available for my car. Now I understand nobody can ever say what’s “the best”. Everyone is different and has different reasons for what they want and need. But I’ve done as much research as I ever have and come to the conclusion that the new Kenne Bell Big Bore 2.6L twin screw supercharger is the best you can get for the S197 at this time.

BIG BORE Supercharger

First of all, let’s cut the argument over what kind of supercharger, i.e. roots, centrifugal, twin screw, or even turbo is better. The all have their strong points but for me the twin screw was the only choice for due to the instant throttle response that only the twin screw can supply. I’m the epitome of a “Street/Strip guy”. I put 35,000 miles a year on my car. Not because I use it for work or take long trips, I just think it’s fun to drive so I do it all the time, shine it up and go cruising. Then I put over 600 quarter mile passes a year on it. Only the twin screw type gives the instant street response fun that I like and the super high HP potential I want for the drag strip. That left the twin screw types from the Kenne Bell line, Whipple, Saleen, and a few others. The Whipple and the Kenne Bell stood out to me but on closer inspection the new Kenne Bell Big Bore series was easily better than any of the others, IMHO, of course.

Below are, as far as I can tell, undisputed facts about the 2.6L Big Bore Kenne Bell as it is relates to all twin screw, under the hood superchargers available for the S197, including the previous Kenne Bell S197 model, the 2.4L.

-Largest rotors available.
-Largest bore available.
-6x4 lobes vs. 5x3 for most.
-Largest bearings available.
-Largest shafts available.
-Largest volume available (2.6L).
-Best overall efficiency from across entire RPM range.
-Highest HP Potential available (950 HP).
-Flattest torque curve available.
-Largest pulley sizes available (per boost psi). This means more belt contact (33% more vs. most).
-Slowest rotor speed per boost psi available.
-Lowest parasitic loss available.

Below are company claims, not undisputed facts. They are very important to me, but taken with a grain of salt.
-Best, most well researched tunes available. (They make a very compelling case at their web site, see below.)
-Best step by step installations available. Important to me because I’ll be installing it.
-Most complete kit available.

Everyone should read this whether they are planning on supercharging or not. Excellent info about the S197. http://kennebell.net/techinfo/ford-t...gtTechTips.pdf

So, anyone out there know of something better? Care to talk me out of the Kenne Bell Big Bore? Am I wrong thinking this is far and away the best supercharger available for the S197? It’s going to be difficult to persuade me to change my mind but I am very open to suggestions and opinions. Tell me what you think, I'll be placing the order on February 15th so I have time to be persuaded.
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I won't talk you out of it... good choice.
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Are you referring to the 2.6H, or standard 2.6 KB? If you meant
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ooops.....if you meant the 2.6H, then you better budget for some forged internals.
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Good choice.
If you like driving your car now wait until you put a supercharger on it.
The under drive pullies will have to go,
and you might want to get a one piece driveshaft.
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ooops.....if you meant the 2.6H, then you better budget for some forged internals.

Nope, the 2.6S. In it's mildest configuration it makes HP in what is considered by many here and elsewhere as the "safe" range for an S197.

Yes, forged internals are on the future mod list, well before I start changing pulleys. The driveshaft is up next as well.
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You sound like me, you research the heck out of everything before you buy it. Took me forever to decide on the water heater I bought recently.
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you did good.....cant argue with ya there.
I mainly went with the Saleen so I could use my JLT2 CAI but now I see its not staying on...goin with the 90mm MAF setup.
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I sure hope its not stayin on...lol!
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I couldn't agree with you more!

I got mine back at the beginning of August, and I love it!

Pull the trigger and don't look back.
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As long as your tuner is comfortable and has tuned the kb's that's a great choice. Can't emphasize enough how important that relationship is.
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steve_ you put a water heater in the car??!! Man....

Sounds like a good choice. Document the install for those of us following in your footsteps!
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I sure hope its not stayin on...lol!

hehehehe! soon to be yours
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I went with the Saleen blower with JDM Stage II at 10psi.
There are no tuners in my area I would trust tuning my car which is why I went with JDM.
They have a perfect track record on the 500+ upgrade packages that they have sold.
My goals were simple 11.50 on pump gas. I accomplished that and then some with 10 psi, roadrace suspension (no swaybar delete etc.) and street wheels.
My front wheels are 275/40 18" and weigh 55 lbs each.

The Saleen has gone as low as 10.20 on a full weight car which is not bad with its 2.3L size.
I don't know why but I haven't seen compareable track numbers from Kenne Bell equipped cars with similar mods.
I'm not saying that the Kenne Bell can't produce the same numbers but I haven't seen it done on a car with an otherwise stock motor. If anyone has proof to the contrary I'd love to see it.
Maybe it goes back to who is making the tunes or who is driving the car but If I installed a blower with 10psi I would not be happy with anything higher than 11.50 on a full weight car.

Best of luck with your purchase.
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Dude that is way too much verbage to read.
I went with KB and I am very happy with it.
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