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Old 03-12-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Yesterday afternoon, a young man took his father's mustang GT for a ride. He was driving at a high rate of speed and lost it. Killing two pedestrians.

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?se...cal&id=5112763

How can we keep this from happening? What steps must we take to ensure that our beautiful rides do not turn into lethal weapons?

I was speechless to see the negative tones the news took when showing this clip. I fault the father.
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Um, well what we can do is hold irresponsible parents accountable for their actions. Why did that kid have that car anyway... and what made him think it was ok to drive like that.

This accident started to happen many years ago.
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Great way to ruin ones life. What a stupid kid. I'm sure the family is feeling like crap now, but it really falls on the kid for taking the keys and getting in the car in the first place.
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You can't fault the parents. They didn't put the keys in the kid's hands and tell him to drive recklessly. The kid is past the "age of reason". He needs to be held accountable for his actions. We should all feel sorry for the parents of both families. This has nothing to do with it being a Mustang either. That kid would have probably drove recklessly in just about any car.
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yeah...you cant fault the parents at all...who hasnt taken dads ride out without him knowin as a kid? and i'll tell ya...since i've been driving my corolla around, i notice just how many people speed...i dont think this car can go above the speed limit if it wanted to...so i travel the highway at 65 mph and every single car passes me...everybody speeds around in the city
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What do you mean we can't hold the parent's responsible?!?! If they knowingly allowed him to take the car, with no drivers liscence, they damn well share some of responsibility in this. The "kid" is certainly not past the "age of reason".
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The driver may be charged with involuntary manslaughter, he is 17. I don't know if he will serve time. His records will be sealed once he turns 18, I think.
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What do you mean we can't hold the parent's responsible?!?! If they knowingly allowed him to take the car, with no drivers liscence, they damn well share some of responsibility in this. The "kid" is certainly not past the "age of reason".
Where does it say they "knowingly let him take the car"? It just says he's an unlicensed driver. It doesn't say anything about the parents. Whether the father knew or not has yet to be determined. Let's leave it at that.

Also, I think it's dangerous to add or even imply stuff that is not known as fact. This is a tragic story and doesn't need to be made worse. Too many times people run off with ideas of what could be the truth. People are often so quick to believe. It's the society we have become. Let's not feed that part of it.
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I don't know how it works in Texas but here in California you can choose to have your juvenile record sealed when you turn 18 but you must pay something like $150-200. He can forget all about sealing his record until he gets out of prison several years from now. They will likely try him as an adult in which case he will be considered an ex-con after he gets out of prison (if he makes it through prison.)

If/when he gets out he will likely be denied a drivers license for a few years after that, and of course he loses other liberties such as the right to vote.

And - both the parents and he share the burden of responsibility for this. The parents for giving him the keys without a license (if they did), and him for driving with complete disregard for the safety of himself and others, illegally I might add. You decide for yourself which holds more responsibility - the driver or the person who gave him the keys?

Children have to start taking responsibility for their own actions at a certain age - its called growing up.
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You're talking as if you know the parents gave him the keys even though you note "if they did". Hell, maybe the dad was in the passenger seat encouraging him to go faster and then ran off after the accident. Heed my warning because there are plenty that get satisfaction out of lynching people, physically or figuratively. If it turns out thru the investigation process the parents had some role in this, then hell ya they deserve some time as well. But until you know be careful what you suggest.
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You misunderstand me. I agree with you on this; we don't know if the parents gave him the keys or were with him or hell maybe they were on vacation at the time. Sorry for the misunderstanding, i'll try to be more specific next time.
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I know...I've seen things on another forum go way off in left field because of people embellishing a story. In fact that reminds me of a party game you can play. You start off with one person reading a brief story to himself off an index card with a handfull of facts in it. He then puts the card down and whispers the story (from memory) to someone else. That person in turn does the same, and so on. The last person to hear the story has to stand up and repeat it out lout. It's funny how the facts get distorted, new "facts" appear, and the story in general aletred to be more or less sensational.
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I don't think it matters if the parents gave the keys to the kid or not. If they did give him the keys then they are just as guilty if not more than the kid driving the car, but even if they didnt give him the keys they are still responsible. You have to teach your kids right from wrong and if your child feels that its ok to take something without permission then that is absolutely a fault of the parents.
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I don't think it matters if the parents gave the keys to the kid or not. If they did give him the keys then they are just as guilty if not more than the kid driving the car, but even if they didnt give him the keys they are still responsible. You have to teach your kids right from wrong and if your child feels that its ok to take something without permission then that is absolutely a fault of the parents.
Yup, I smell a lawsuit and it's going to be the parents who will have to pay.
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When I started this post I thought about the parents, and the relationship they had with their son. I am 47 years old and have a ten year old son. I do not think my son would even imagine driving without a license. We try to instill that the license is a priviledge in it's own. Earned by learning to drive safely and be finacially resposible when an accident occurs.

This was an unfortunate accident and I am certain no one expected this outcome. Yet, I think you teach your children from early age this action was not appropiate.

One has to commend good behavior and decisions and give the proper consequences for bad decisions at an early age.

Again, I am speculating the parents did not give this kid the kid the keys and told him to go to grandmas, If that is the case, the parents need to confront the consequences of their actions.

Gotta get off this soapbox....And pray for everyone affected by this tragedy.
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