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For those of you with the GT Coupe....are your rear speakers under the rear deck ? I was looking at a GT Coupe in the parking lot where I work the other day and that appears to be the case. I know that for the convertible the rear speakers are in the rear side panels.

And what are the speaker sizes for the woofers and tweeters for front and rear ? I know that the fronts are separate woofer and tweeter and I assume the rears are separates as well since the Shaker 500 indicates there are 8 speakers, which would equal 2 pairs of separates.

For those of you with verts, do you know what the orientation of the separates are under the speaker grills in the side panels especially for the rear speakers ? I'd be curious about the coupe as well.
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They are mounted on top of the deck, I believe the 07's have the fabric covering them.
5X7's in the side doors and the rear deck. They are cheap chinese speakers rated at 25Watts.

The rest I don't know.
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They are mounted on top of the deck, I believe the 07's have the fabric covering them.
5X7's in the side doors and the rear deck. They are cheap chinese speakers rated at 25Watts.

The rest I don't know.
pc...doesn't look like the front speakers are 5x7's. If I had to guess it looks like a 6½" mid/woofer and a tweeter mounted behind the grill above it. Have no clue about the rears however.

And even if the speakers are rated at 25 watts that has to be an RMS rating not a peak power rating, otherwise they wouldn't last a week with the amp that's in the Shaker 500 system.
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pc...doesn't look like the front speakers are 5x7's. If I had to guess it looks like a 6½" mid/woofer and a tweeter mounted behind the grill above it. Have no clue about the rears however.

And even if the speakers are rated at 25 watts that has to be an RMS rating not a peak power rating, otherwise they wouldn't last a week with the amp that's in the Shaker 500 system.
The top ones are 5x7's NOT the woofers below them and they are rated at 25 Watts, Waxed 05 has a shaker 500 and replaced them with the same speakers I have, and he say's they are the same 25 watt junkers.
It's the woofers that are going to use most of the Power.
I have the standard radio and it is rated around 120 watts.
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As someone who has been into aftermarket car audio for over 20 years, power handling is the least important thing when measuring the quality of a speaker. There are some speakers that claim power handling of 200 watts that sound like pieces of crap and others that list 50 watts of power handling that sound exceptional.

Soundstage and clarity are much more important than power handling unless you plan to enter competitions to win trophies for highest SPL. The speakers that come with the Shaker system sound pretty decent. The tweeters might be a tad too bright for my taste but they don't make your ears bleed. They could be a bit more smooth. The true test of a speaker is how it reproduces the human vocal range....i.e. the mid-range register. High and low frequencies are the easiest for speakers to reproduce. Bad reproduction of mid-range makes a speaker sound flat and muddy. The speakers in the Shaker system reproduce the mid range quite well. Of course there are more expensive speakers that would do it better but these are not bad for a stock system.

Power handling is a bit more important for a tweeter and you will burn a tweeter far sooner than you could blow a woofer or a sub. It doesn't take much power for a tweeter to play loud because it doesn't move nearly as much air as a woofer or a sub. That's where you really need the power. But power handling still says nothing about the sound qualities of a speaker system.

I would much rather have an amp rated at 40 watts per channel of CLEAN power than one rated at 200 watts a channel that doesn't measure up in terms of harmonic distortion. I don't care how loudly it can play, it will never measure up to the sound quality of the lower powered amp with the cleaner power.

I may swap out the speakers in my Mustang at some point and add a powered sub (like the Infiniti Basslink...399.00 installed) but for now I am pretty satisfied with the quality of this stock system.
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For those of you with the GT Coupe....are your rear speakers under the rear deck ? I was looking at a GT Coupe in the parking lot where I work the other day and that appears to be the case. I know that for the convertible the rear speakers are in the rear side panels.

And what are the speaker sizes for the woofers and tweeters for front and rear ? I know that the fronts are separate woofer and tweeter and I assume the rears are separates as well since the Shaker 500 indicates there are 8 speakers, which would equal 2 pairs of separates.

For those of you with verts, do you know what the orientation of the separates are under the speaker grills in the side panels especially for the rear speakers ? I'd be curious about the coupe as well.

I have the Shaker 500 and cannot count 8 speakers. Now under my rear seat is something that looks like speakers, but not sure what they are, really did not want to disturb it. If they are speakers, then those should make it 8.
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The 500 has 8 speakers. 2 in the rear deck, 2 in each door, and 2 in the dash. The 1000 adds 2 subs in the trunk.
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The 500 has 8 speakers. 2 in the rear deck, 2 in each door, and 2 in the dash. The 1000 adds 2 subs in the trunk.
OK, that is the coupe, the vert has no rear deck, so must be under the rear seat (see above pics in my post).
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Under the rear seat ????? I thought I had seen everything when it comes to speaker installation.....lol
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Under the rear seat ????? I thought I had seen everything when it comes to speaker installation.....lol
That is what I suppose they are, so if you have the rear seat occupied, guess stereo won't sound so good. I really do not know, never had anyone in the back seat. Suppose the wil get a BLAST up their (well you know)
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Who makes the Shaker 500 radio and speakers?

A Service Tech told me the radio was a Blaupunkt (sp?)

I always thought JBL made Ford's stuff.
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As someone who has been into aftermarket car audio for over 20 years, power handling is the least important thing when measuring the quality of a speaker. There are some speakers that claim power handling of 200 watts that sound like pieces of crap and others that list 50 watts of power handling that sound exceptional.

Soundstage and clarity are much more important than power handling unless you plan to enter competitions to win trophies for highest SPL. The speakers that come with the Shaker system sound pretty decent. The tweeters might be a tad too bright for my taste but they don't make your ears bleed. They could be a bit more smooth. The true test of a speaker is how it reproduces the human vocal range....i.e. the mid-range register. High and low frequencies are the easiest for speakers to reproduce. Bad reproduction of mid-range makes a speaker sound flat and muddy. The speakers in the Shaker system reproduce the mid range quite well. Of course there are more expensive speakers that would do it better but these are not bad for a stock system.

Power handling is a bit more important for a tweeter and you will burn a tweeter far sooner than you could blow a woofer or a sub. It doesn't take much power for a tweeter to play loud because it doesn't move nearly as much air as a woofer or a sub. That's where you really need the power. But power handling still says nothing about the sound qualities of a speaker system.

I would much rather have an amp rated at 40 watts per channel of CLEAN power than one rated at 200 watts a channel that doesn't measure up in terms of harmonic distortion. I don't care how loudly it can play, it will never measure up to the sound quality of the lower powered amp with the cleaner power.

I may swap out the speakers in my Mustang at some point and add a powered sub (like the Infiniti Basslink...399.00 installed) but for now I am pretty satisfied with the quality of this stock system.
I agree, loudness has nothing to do with it and what I meant to say is that the woofers are power hogs. Usually the higher the wattage, the less harmonic distortion the amp puts out. There are two reasons speakers blow, harmonic distortion, and more power than they can handle. Having said that, Just because you listen to to music at a low volume level, the highs can still require higher wattage that your amp can put out, that is where the frequencies are clipped and the result is distorted sound that sounds like crap, keep cranking up the volume and the result is bye bye speaker. The stock speakers in the doors (top two) and the rear deck, are the same as my standard radio. I replaced them and the sound difference is night and day. When I can afford it, I plan on getting an upgraded radio.
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pc....you would be better served to upgrade the Shaker amp instead of the head unit. Many people think you can't hear the difference in sound between amplifiers but it's very easy to. You will hear a bigger difference in sound quality by upgrading the amp rather than the head unit. Digital electronics have reached a plateau pretty much. Even the most inexpensive CD player today is light years ahead of the best CD player from 15-20 years ago. I am assuming the Shaker system has an outboard amp somewhere...I doubt that the amp is in the head unit, although it's possible. But given the power that the system claims I have to believe they are using an outboard amp. Not sure where it's located though...in my Acura the amp was located behind the kick panel of the passenger compartment. If you replace the head unit you can probably easily get a better tuner but I don't think you would notice much of a difference in sound quality when the source is digital, i.e. the CD player.
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On the shaker 500 there are tweeters, mids, and subs in each door.(6) There are 2 rear deck or rear side panel speakers.(2) For a total of 8 speakers.
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On the shaker 500 there are tweeters, mids, and subs in each door.(6) There are 2 rear deck or rear side panel speakers.(2) For a total of 8 speakers.
hog....thanks ! I sent you a private message asking for a few more details.
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