[Black05Pony]

Just as the title says, i'd like to get some basic info on a stroker kit for the 4.0L v6. I asked about getting a head/cam job versus a supercharger awhile ago and was met with the answer that heads and cams wouldn't give me what I want and that I should forge/stroke my motor to a 4.5L.

So the basic info will suffice... Price, performance gain, labor costs, additional concerns, etc.

What would I do without AFM?

[xchris]

heads and cams won't give you what you want? what do you want exactly? i know a stroker kit does exist, i have heard of a 4.5L and v6 before but im not sure where they sell them, but please explain what your goals are and why you were told to stroke and forge instead of heads and cams

[stlwagon]

We have one member with a forged 4.5 stroker. Hopefully he'll chime in.

[ckrebel910]

the head and cam job sounded pretty darn good to me. The numbers SuperSix claim are something I could definitely get used to.

[RedFire281]

The only stroker I've seen for the 4.0L SOHC are these:

Tom Morana Racing Engines

I haven't heard any negatives about Morana Racing but who knows?

[Black05Pony]

Well I believe the way I worded the question before was "Give me your opinion on heads/cams vs. a supercharger."

As for my goals, i'd like to build the motor and get as close to 300rwhp as possible, then maybe throw on a blower.

From reading the SuperSix site, the only numbers I could find were 25 to the top end and over 80 horsepower at some lower parts of the powerband. Does anyone have real numbers on what they do?

That Tony Marona thing looks good too, but again, no numbers.

And before you say it, theres always some smart ass who chimes in with "trade your car in for a GT, i'm a consumer ***** blah blah blah." If I trade my car in i'll owe close to $15000 on the new car and I dont want the payments. in August my car will be paid off and i'd rather use the $320 a month to build my current car than buy a new one and start all over again.

Plus its my babe and I cant bear to part with it. Until it dies or I die.

Actually i'll be buried in it, so just until it dies.

[xchris]

I didnt see the versus, my mistake

Anyways, I would just get the superheads if you have the money from supersix and then throw on a blower, with my turbo (before the engine blew) I was making 313 rwhp and 377 torque at 8.6 psi and this was on a safe tune.

I know on a GT their have been gains of 35 rwhp just with the stage 2, so im gonna imagine we can see the same with stage 3, this would also keep you from having the same problem i had with the motor but the main culprit behind what blew my motor was the electrical system in the car, it has had problems since i bought it and it cut off the fuel injectors, that aside i already had a coolant leak (head gasket) before everything happened so new heads would definetly be a good idea if you have the money for both.

If you have only the money for one, just buy the blower, i dont really know why people like to go the supercharged route, i saw the vortec supercharger makes 313 rwhp as well but at 11 PSI and it only makes 298 torque.... im running almost 3 less PSI and almost 100 more torque

[Black05Pony]

Call me a horsepower greedy v6 owner, but I was thinking of doing the stroker and then heads and cams and MAYBE a blower in the future. If I did, it would probably be the Eaton based Xplorer Xpress with an 8PSI pulley.

I'm just wanting to see how much more a stroker kit would give me over just doing heads/cams and then a blower.

[xchris]

Then by all means go ahead, i cant wait to see the results

[caseythehost]

I wish I had some numbers for you, but I haven't seen any dynos for what you're talking about. I think your plan should be to do both in the future. If you get a SC or turbo system now you will get the power you want, but will be limited in how far you can push your engine. Once your engine is built up you can increase your psi on your power adder to go really fast. For instance, with a stock V6 you can run all day long on an STS turbo system at 8 psi, but if you build up the engine you can bump that up to 10 psi for your daily driver. It kinda depends on if you want a little power now to get more later for less money, or if you want a lot of power now for more money and increase it in the future.

There are some twin turbo kits coming out this summer for the V6 also. So you have options.

Don't listen to anyone who tells you to trade in for a GT ... they are dumbasses. They are GT snobs and should be ignored. Bottom line is you can make a V6 destroy a GT for less than it would be to buy a GT. This is basic financial investment 101.

I've spoken with several performance mechanics in town, and all have said the V6 is a better engine than the V8 ... not more powerful, but better. There is no doubt that if you want to sink a bunch of money into a GT you will make more gains than with a V6, but to buy a GT with no plans to mod because it's faster than a V6 stock is just a waste of money.

I'd also like to point out that you can buy a low mileage GT engine for $2,000. So for a few thousand dollars you can have a GT engine swap, basically have a GT, and you're still spending several thousand less than buying a factory GT. You see my point about ignoring people who don't know anything about project cars.

I'd also look at Shelby's website. They have a full conversion kit for the V6 to the CS6 (400hp). If you don't get the body kit, and hold off on the breaks you can have a CS6 for less than a GT. Just so everyone is clear ... a CS6 eats GT's for breakfast.

Disclaimer: for you non-snobbish GT owners ... I was not talking about you. I am only talking about the couple of idiots who think they can talk down to people just because they have a GT. We all know they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to power, and project cars. I just don't want to offend the average GT owner who respects all Mustangs. Lord knows I love the GT, but I wanted a project car ... that's why I chose the V6.

[xchris]

i wouldn't say the v6 is a "better" engine then the v8 but the v6s definetly do have more potential then previous years, this is obviously true considering we already have 10 second v6's that are street legal and even get close to 30 mpg

[Black05Pony]

I'm going to continue working on my car slowly but surely. Next up are gears and then I might really start saving for something like a stroker kit or a head/cam job but it all depends on how things go with work. Right now the economy is **** and thats not good for tradesmen regardless of what trade you work in.

As for GT owners being snobs, I agree: the vast majority of GT owners are very respectful and enjoy mustangs of all kinds, but you get your occasional GT badass who thinks that his stock GT will beat anything on the road.

I dont care much for people like that but...

Well.. the whole point of this post was just to see if there was a stroker kit out there for our motor. I had looked and couldn't find anything so I thought i'd see if anyone else was seeing something that I was missing.

[mysticalsnake]

don't worry about the guys in stock GTs that think they can take anything on the road...that's where us modded Terminator guys take up for ya! Oddly enough, the only time i'm ever on this site is for the V6 as the me and the g/f have plans for hers, and i think it involves an STS turbo system in the future, just to piss off some of our friends who all have modded GTs...that or we're gearing, trac-locking, and spraying it real soon lol

[Black05Pony]

Even without the spray if you're geared/tloc with an intake/tune and a muffler you stand a pretty fair chance against a stock GT.

Especially if the other person doesn't know how to drive.

[FYouGitive]

Originally Posted by Black05Pony

Even without the spray if you're geared/tloc with an intake/tune and a muffler you stand a pretty fair chance against a stock GT.

Especially if the other person doesn't know how to drive.

My experience is you have a better chance if the other person doesn't know you're racing.