Does anyone else see how terrible Ford really designed this motor? The 4.6 gets 300 HP, while the 4.0 gets 188 to the wheels, 210 to the crank? Its tough, because two of my buddies have LS1's, and another a Cobra, and the 4.0 has a bigger engine bay then both, and yet probably one of the most underpowered engines I've ever witnessed in terms of size.
Don't get me wrong, I like my car and all, but, it's disappointing that Ford could only crank out 188 out of a 4.0, and companies like Nissan are geting 275HP out of a 3.5 liter motor.
Your car has more torque than horsepower, a rare feat of engineering. I would recommend getting 4.10 gears to really maximize all of your torque potential, you could beat cars that have higher horsepower.
Another thing, you are comparing our wheel horespower to their crank horsepower, that's not fair.
You also have to consider that the Cobras and the Nissans you mention cost a lot more, so they had better get more horsepower, I even heard that a V6 Accord could beat our car, but again, the V6 accord costs over $5,000 more. If you really wanted them to, Ford could slap on another 12 valves, 2 more camshafts, and variable timing and get another 100 horespower out of it, but then it would no longer be a $20k car.
Does anyone else see how terrible Ford really designed this motor? The 4.6 gets 300 HP, while the 4.0 gets 188 to the wheels, 210 to the crank? Its tough, because two of my buddies have LS1's, and another a Cobra, and the 4.0 has a bigger engine bay then both, and yet probably one of the most underpowered engines I've ever witnessed in terms of size.
Don't get me wrong, I like my car and all, but, it's disappointing that Ford could only crank out 188 out of a 4.0, and companies like Nissan are geting 275HP out of a 3.5 liter motor.
well like most said what do you expect, why would ford drop in a higher output V6 if they have a GT there needs to be a considerble difference if they want to make money, most people buy the 6er for the better gas mileage (yea 3-5 extra miles wow) and Affordable Price is the real key to the 6er so dont be disappointed thats just how it goes but hey if u got the $$ it takes very minimal to make the 6er stand with or slightly above the GT with the newer bolt on's and yea nissan does put out a 3.5 motor but it dont get 275rwhp its 300 to the crank and 264 or so to the wheels if ur refering to the 350z which i have and dyno'd Stock @ 265rwhp the Gt's put just slightly less right around 245rwhp bone stock.
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well like most said what do you expect, why would ford drop in a higher output V6 if they have a GT there needs to be a considerble difference if they want to make money, most people buy the 6er for the better gas mileage (yea 3-5 extra miles wow) and Affordable Price is the real key to the 6er so dont be disappointed thats just how it goes but hey if u got the $$ it takes very minimal to make the 6er stand with or slightly above the GT with the newer bolt on's and yea nissan does put out a 3.5 motor but it dont get 275rwhp its 300 to the crank and 264 or so to the wheels if ur refering to the 350z which i have and dyno'd Stock @ 265rwhp the Gt's put just slightly less right around 245rwhp bone stock.
245 rwhp for a bone stock gt is on the extremely low end, my dads gt with just a cai and tune made 291 rwhp and its an automatic and the tune was for 87 octane not 93
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415 rwhp/470 torque @12 psi Car died 6/23/09
New Set Up: 4.6 3v With Manual Trans, Bolt Ons
One of the reasons your car does not get more HP is that all car companies have government standards to adhere to. For every car that goes over those fuel economy and emission standards they have to build something to off-set that. If Ford could make the GT faster with better milage and emissions they would and then they could make the V6 faster.
245 rwhp for a bone stock gt is on the extremely low end, my dads gt with just a cai and tune made 291 rwhp and its an automatic and the tune was for 87 octane not 93
opps my mistake didnt notice i put a 4 bone stock Gt are 260-275rwhp, and i really cant see a Bone stock GT with 300hp to the Crank get 291rwhp With a Tune for 87 Octane and only a CAI sry man just dont see that happening.
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245 rwhp for a bone stock gt is on the extremely low end, my dads gt with just a cai and tune made 291 rwhp and its an automatic and the tune was for 87 octane not 93
The question is, can you take him with your turbo V6?
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opps my mistake didnt notice i put a 4 bone stock Gt are 260-275rwhp, and i really cant see a Bone stock GT with 300hp to the Crank get 291rwhp With a Tune for 87 Octane and only a CAI sry man just dont see that happening.
I promise you it exists, my dads car got 291 rwhp with just those, and i forgot to mention the axlebacks, i dunno if that makes a real difference because the gt mufflers are not as restrictive as v6 but hell maybe it added another 10 rwhp.
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The question is, can you take him with your turbo V6?
definetly, maybe not from a dig because i still have the stock rear end meaning 3.31 gears and no posi traction (t-lok) but from any kind of roll i could definetly beat him, i need to see what the new motor makes but if it makes the same numbers as last time, it would be a cake walk
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2006 V6 Pony Package Premium -Mods: 61mm Powerhouse Turbo and Intercooler, Evolution Dyno Tune(Jon Lund), Steeda Performance Shorty Headers. Current Numbers: 350 rwhp/420 torque @ 8.3 psi (low boost)
415 rwhp/470 torque @12 psi Car died 6/23/09
New Set Up: 4.6 3v With Manual Trans, Bolt Ons
I promise you it exists, my dads car got 291 rwhp with just those, and i forgot to mention the axlebacks, i dunno if that makes a real difference because the gt mufflers are not as restrictive as v6 but hell maybe it added another 10 rwhp.
definetly, maybe not from a dig because i still have the stock rear end meaning 3.31 gears and no posi traction (t-lok) but from any kind of roll i could definetly beat him, i need to see what the new motor makes but if it makes the same numbers as last time, it would be a cake walk
Yo regardless of Manga's Or Flow's or w/e Axles backs are not gonna give you 10rwhp if ur Dad pulled those numbers with just the mods ur saying he has then theres something else he added and didnt tell u, ive got plenty of people saying theres no way his GT will pull those numbers and they have the same GT's with same Mods but either way congrats on ur dads dyno #'s anyways.
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There are plenty of GT guys making 290 rwhp with a CAI/tune on here. A lot of the GT dyno sheets i've seen posted here on AFM have numbers around 275-280 rwhp stock and a CAI with a good tune will get you at least 10rwhp. On the v6's there are dyno numbers showing a 20 rwhp increase with a CAI/tune combo so its not out of the question to think that the GT's would gain a fair bit of power as well.
The axle-backs shouldn't get you anything with a GT but they've been DYNO PROVEN to make at least 10 rwhp on the v6's. On most of them the gain is 13-15rwhp and fishingjts dyno'ed in the MRT Aeroturbine axle-back at 17rwhp over stock. And thats JUST a muffler.
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There are plenty of GT guys making 290 rwhp with a CAI/tune on here. A lot of the GT dyno sheets i've seen posted here on AFM have numbers around 275-280 rwhp stock and a CAI with a good tune will get you at least 10rwhp. On the v6's there are dyno numbers showing a 20 rwhp increase with a CAI/tune combo so its not out of the question to think that the GT's would gain a fair bit of power as well.
The axle-backs shouldn't get you anything with a GT but they've been DYNO PROVEN to make at least 10 rwhp on the v6's. On most of them the gain is 13-15rwhp and fishingjts dyno'ed in the MRT Aeroturbine axle-back at 17rwhp over stock. And thats JUST a muffler.
well im not calling anyone a liar its just all the Dyno's ive seen with there list of Mods which equal what he listed pulled between 265-275 and maybe 280max with either flows or mag's a 87 oct tune and CAI thats why im suprised thats all and thats why i said congratz to his dads dyno #'s because to me its news, i have yet to get mine dyno'd im curious to know what mine is as a 6er, ive got Dual Exhaust with Flows and K&N Air Charger Intake so i hope i pull close to 200 to the wheels
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There are plenty of GT guys making 290 rwhp with a CAI/tune on here. A lot of the GT dyno sheets i've seen posted here on AFM have numbers around 275-280 rwhp stock and a CAI with a good tune will get you at least 10rwhp. On the v6's there are dyno numbers showing a 20 rwhp increase with a CAI/tune combo so its not out of the question to think that the GT's would gain a fair bit of power as well.
The axle-backs shouldn't get you anything with a GT but they've been DYNO PROVEN to make at least 10 rwhp on the v6's. On most of them the gain is 13-15rwhp and fishingjts dyno'ed in the MRT Aeroturbine axle-back at 17rwhp over stock. And thats JUST a muffler.
So how much HP do you think my single Flowmaster A/T adds with no other mods?
i can assure you nothing else has been done to the car, i did the install work on the car, hes going to have a bit more horsepower now, he just got a ram air hood installed, its supposed to be ready between 4 and 4:30 today, i can take pictures of it for ya, i wish i had the dyno sheet i would proudly post it but he had it done at eld performance and i asked multiple times for the sheet and they kept saying they would send it to his e-mail, i saw it come up on their computer but never made it to his e-mail
I tell everyone the truth on horsepower and torque etc. , i've posted my own dyno sheets before, next time he dynos his car i will make sure not to leave the place before getting a sheet in my hand.
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415 rwhp/470 torque @12 psi Car died 6/23/09
New Set Up: 4.6 3v With Manual Trans, Bolt Ons
Its Simple.......The Thing Pounds Tons Of Cars On The Road And Had Great Stock Power....can Be Made To be Just As Fast As Anything Out There With Tuning Etc.... Looks Awesome...And Is Dirt Cheap.Has Attitude And personality That No Import Can Come Close To...And The ladies, KidsAnd Import Guys Love To Stare When You Drive By....As Long As you Have Those Things Put Together Who Cares How Much Horse You Got........Your Running Good Times...Winning Races....Making Honda Guys Jellous, And Stealing Their GFs..Why Complain.....Iacocca Was The man...Even If he Did Invent The K car And Mini Van
and for the price of the difference between a 350z and an s197 v6 you can get full bolt-on's plus stage 2 or 3 heads, cams, and forged internals. now honestly which of the two cars do you thinks gonna win?
