Let's be honest..a 4.0 producing 188 HP to the wheels?
Does anyone else see how terrible Ford really designed this motor? The 4.6 gets 300 HP, while the 4.0 gets 188 to the wheels, 210 to the crank? Its tough, because two of my buddies have LS1's, and another a Cobra, and the 4.0 has a bigger engine bay then both, and yet probably one of the most underpowered engines I've ever witnessed in terms of size.
Don't get me wrong, I like my car and all, but, it's disappointing that Ford could only crank out 188 out of a 4.0, and companies like Nissan are geting 275HP out of a 3.5 liter motor.
It's all about torque not horsepower. Maybe you need one of these
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The GT does not actually get 300 to the wheels. It's more around the range of 275-280. My bro-in-law has intake, exhaust, tune, and headers on his and he's just pushing 300 at the wheels. Ford actually does not usually rate their cars at the flywheel. They usually rate them at the back of the tranny with all accessories. It's better than foreign vehicles that rate their engines outside of the vehicle at the flywheel with no accessories. Ford is more real world with their ratings and I have come to find out, they are conservative just for insurance reasons. The 4.0 is rated at what 5300 rpm? I've wound mine out to 5800 rpm and felt like there is still more there. Dang rpm limiter.
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I mean 188 Horsepower with a decent amount of torque (I forget the figure right now.. somebody??) is pretty good for a Mustang designed to be driven everyday under normal conditions. I find it has some of the best pick up of any V6 I've ever driven.
It has more horsepower than most of the popular v6's in it's class.
The best part about the whole Mustang culture is how fun and relatively easy it is to customize and enhance these vehicles. Another 1,500 bucks and I think I could be cranking out 270 rwhp no problem..
BUT,
I didn't buy my Stang for it's power (or supposed lack of).. I bought it cause it's an awesome cruising car with TONS of personality and plenty of zip. If I wanted to race I'd find myself a Cobra.
100 horsepower more for the stock GT is nice, but not enough to lure me away from my senses.
These kind of questions bother me. The 2005 4.0 S197's are very, VERY affordable. Compare Ls1's and cobras to your car if you must, but you're talking about a sub 20k car.
Before moving to my current car and Z, I purchased a 2005 s197 4.0....Yeah, the horsepower is rather low...but that thing went like a bat outta hell after tune and a CAI. What you're dealing with is an engine in a very basic form, this explains the price, and why other engines are making more power.
My 2007 Z made 306 horsepower, but thats ALL it's ever gonna make unless you go FI. It's a 6 cylinder that makes 306 horsepower because everything that can be done to it is pretty much already done at the factory.
Again, its a get what you pay for issue. And IMO, you get alot for what you pay for upon making a purchase on the new 4.0.
No considering that its torque that really matters, and thats where the mustang shines it hit really nice torque levels in the low rpms better than pretty much any V6 I've seen. HP is sells cars, Torque wins races.
Not to mention take on of those japanese cars with a V6 and try to get 450 hp out of it I dare you. because there are countless people pushing out 500 hp out of V6 Mustangs.
CKeep in mind the corporate mind set. It's all about selling cars. Nothing else matters. So, you have the high performance Mustang GT with a 4.6l engine, making 310hp; 67.4 hp/l/
Next to that is the "low" performance Mustang with a 4.0l engine, making 210hp; 52.5hp /l.
Look at the big differance in power per liter. Why is that? Is it because the 4.6 is 22% more efficient than the 4.0? I don't think so.
Ford "detunes" the v6 for a very good reason. They don't want the cheaper V6 to compete with the GT. IF power levels were close to the same, more people would buy the V6 for all the obvious reasons.
When people show good power numbers on their V6, what have they done? Anything dramatic? No, not really. Cold air, GT muffler, and a better computer tune is all it takes to get you closer to that 67.4hp/l mark.
CKeep in mind the corporate mind set. It's all about selling cars. Nothing else matters. So, you have the high performance Mustang GT with a 4.6l engine, making 310hp; 67.4 hp/l/
Next to that is the "low" performance Mustang with a 4.0l engine, making 210hp; 52.5hp /l.
Look at the big differance in power per liter. Why is that? Is it because the 4.6 is 22% more efficient than the 4.0? I don't think so.
Ford "detunes" the v6 for a very good reason. They don't want the cheaper V6 to compete with the GT. IF power levels were close to the same, more people would buy the V6 for all the obvious reasons.
When people show good power numbers on their V6, what have they done? Anything dramatic? No, not really. Cold air, GT muffler, and a better computer tune is all it takes to get you closer to that 67.4hp/l mark.
It's all about marketing
Well said. You beat me to it. If you added true duals,a better air intake and throttle body, a more radical cam and a tune, the v6 would be sitting at or above the level of the GT. The manufacturer could do this for a few dollars per vehicle but then the sales of GTs would go right in the toilet.
It's all about spreading out the product line and marketing. They do the same thing in the business I'm in.
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CKeep in mind the corporate mind set. It's all about selling cars. Nothing else matters. So, you have the high performance Mustang GT with a 4.6l engine, making 310hp; 67.4 hp/l/
Next to that is the "low" performance Mustang with a 4.0l engine, making 210hp; 52.5hp /l.
Look at the big differance in power per liter. Why is that? Is it because the 4.6 is 22% more efficient than the 4.0? I don't think so.
Ford "detunes" the v6 for a very good reason. They don't want the cheaper V6 to compete with the GT. IF power levels were close to the same, more people would buy the V6 for all the obvious reasons.
When people show good power numbers on their V6, what have they done? Anything dramatic? No, not really. Cold air, GT muffler, and a better computer tune is all it takes to get you closer to that 67.4hp/l mark.
It's all about marketing
The GT is 300 HPclaimed from the factory, not 310.
The GT has variable valve timing and 3 valves per cylinder to mention just a couple of things. Of course it is more efficient! These things give you a lot more area under the horsepower curve, which makes for the pleasant driving sensation and rapid acceleration.
Also, most stock engines are "detuned"- if YOU were going to warranty something would you push it to the max? You'd go broke...
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From what i have done of the research on the Ford v6's, Ford doesn't design them. They are a german engine from Cologene Germany. I think the comapny that makes them is called Cologene also. I could be VERY wrong, but i have spent quite a bit of time researching it. If anyone wants to take a look, google and wikipedia will provide many results.
I dont know if anyone else has noticed but i think my v6 sounds a lot like a BMW sixer (Although most of those are inline 6's if not all of them)... Maybe i just think too much about these kind of things, haha
I dont know if anyone else has noticed but i think my v6 sounds a lot like a BMW sixer (Although most of those are inline 6's if not all of them)... Maybe i just think too much about these kind of things, haha
Well, I'm glad it turned out to be Cologne. That "Cologene" sounded a little to much like some biological intestine monster ...
As for sound, I heard and loved a lot of six-cylinder engines in the 1950s and '60s, and even a couple of Porsches that were/are nearly identical on the "overrun" (deceleration at higher rpm).
Run this one to about 2:20 seconds in, and listen as I shift down and come off the freeway:
FRPP exhaust part 0ne (after the drags)
From what i have done of the research on the Ford v6's, Ford doesn't design them. They are a german engine from Cologene Germany. I think the comapny that makes them is called Cologene also. I could be VERY wrong, but i have spent quite a bit of time researching it. If anyone wants to take a look, google and wikipedia will provide many results.
I dont know if anyone else has noticed but i think my v6 sounds a lot like a BMW sixer (Although most of those are inline 6's if not all of them)... Maybe i just think too much about these kind of things, haha
Let's be honest..a 4.0 producing 188 HP to the wheels? 
