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Old 08-02-2009   #16 (permalink)
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I added a BBK CAI recently, and really like it. Very nice power improvement, and recovered all the low end torque -- and more -- that I lost going with true duals. Now I've got better torque and HP all through the RMP range. Engine runs great with the BBK!

... and it looks so much better under the hood than the K&N.

So many people claim that a CAI is no good w/o a tune... absolutely not true! Very big difference for me/ Just disconnect the battery (as per instructions) and let the computer reset the tune. The only issue I had is I couldn't reuse the MAF screws on my 2009, since mine required metric machine screws.

I would highly recommend the BBK: really nice performance boost, and looks great under the hood. An excellent 4.0 mod.
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I added a BBK CAI recently, and really like it. Very nice power improvement, and recovered all the low end torque -- and more -- that I lost going with true duals. Now I've got better torque and HP all through the RMP range. Engine runs great with the BBK!

... and it looks so much better under the hood than the K&N.

So many people claim that a CAI is no good w/o a tune... absolutely not true! Very big difference for me/ Just disconnect the battery (as per instructions) and let the computer reset the tune. The only issue I had is I couldn't reuse the MAF screws on my 2009, since mine required metric machine screws.

I would highly recommend the BBK: really nice performance boost, and looks great under the hood. An excellent 4.0 mod.
We are not saying it is completely useless. It does provide a boost, but no where near the CAI that requires a tune. The size of the air filter speaks for itself.
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We are not saying it is completely useless. It does provide a boost, but no where near the CAI that requires a tune. The size of the air filter speaks for itself.
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He's wondering about two CAI options that do not require a tune. I say go with the BBK for looks and performance now, and save the other $100 (from not getting the K&N) and use it towards the $400 it'll take to get a tuner. Sure, I'd like to get a tuner down the road, too.

I always wonder if people have any personal experience with the BBK, or are just repeating what they've heard. I know it made a very big difference for my 4.0 (only non-cosmetic mod previously was GT take-offs and true duals). A pretty amazing upgrade for only $190.
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C&L Doesn't require a tune?! Where did you see that? The filter from C&L is just as big as JLT's.
Sorry a little late on the response. GO to their website C&L has an intake like BBK that does not require a tune but still if it doesn;t require a tune gains are minimal.
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I added a BBK CAI recently, and really like it. Very nice power improvement, and recovered all the low end torque -- and more -- that I lost going with true duals. Now I've got better torque and HP all through the RMP range. Engine runs great with the BBK!

... and it looks so much better under the hood than the K&N.

So many people claim that a CAI is no good w/o a tune... absolutely not true! Very big difference for me/ Just disconnect the battery (as per instructions) and let the computer reset the tune. The only issue I had is I couldn't reuse the MAF screws on my 2009, since mine required metric machine screws.

I would highly recommend the BBK: really nice performance boost, and looks great under the hood. An excellent 4.0 mod.

Its good to hear from someone who has a CAI w/out a tune because thats what I want. I think the K&N looks better just my prefrence but if you can notice a pwer diffrence thats great maybe I will end up getting one afterall. You have had no mechanical problems with it so far?
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I want to install a CAI but what brand is better and why? At am.com the K&N is 300 and the BBK is 200 but price really doesnt matter its only 100 difference on something you will have forever. Help please.

I ran the BKK CAI without a tune for several months and had no issues.

As most people will tell you on this forum, you won't really unlock the power of any CAI until you get a tune for it, even if it states a "no tune" required.

Once I got the BAMA race tune in place though, it was night and day performance wise over just the CAI.
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I ran the BKK CAI without a tune for several months and had no issues.

As most people will tell you on this forum, you won't really unlock the power of any CAI until you get a tune for it, even if it states a "no tune" required.

Once I got the BAMA race tune in place though, it was night and day performance wise over just the CAI.

Im not getting a tune I totally decided against it. In 1-2 years I will just buy me a v8 mustang or whatever is better when that time comes. But for now will installing a CAI w/out a tune give me enough power to even be worth installing or should I just not even waste my money? I bought the dual exhaust but I just really like the sound and how it looks I wasnt worried about gaining power to much with that.
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But for now will installing a CAI w/out a tune give me enough power to even be worth installing or should I just not even waste my money? I bought the dual exhaust but I just really like the sound and how it looks I wasnt worried about gaining power to much with that.
The K&N V6 CAI dynos a 7.5HP gain, is that enough to feel by itself? Probably not but with your exhaust you should feel a difference. Also you will get a little better gas mileage just from the K&N filter alone, I put them in all my cars to pick up some mileage.
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The K&N V6 CAI dynos a 7.5HP gain, is that enough to feel by itself? Probably not but with your exhaust you should feel a difference. Also you will get a little better gas mileage just from the K&N filter alone, I put them in all my cars to pick up some mileage.
I keep hearing bad things and then good things I dont know what to do. A little more horsepower would be nice and better gas mileage would be nice. Maybe I will think it over again and purchase it I dunno.
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I keep hearing bad things and then good things I dont know what to do. A little more horsepower would be nice and better gas mileage would be nice. Maybe I will think it over again and purchase it I dunno.
My question to you is why risk it? If there is a chance of running lean, are those 7.5rwhp worth it?
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My question to you is why risk it? If there is a chance of running lean, are those 7.5rwhp worth it?


How bout just a drop in K&N filer?
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How bout just a drop in K&N filer?
Don't know much about them. They are better, but are they worth it? Don't know.
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I'm running a K&N without a tune.

I really can't say I've noticed a big difference in performance. Maybe a little bit, but if 7-8 hp gain is accurate, then that's hard to notice by seat-of-the-pants.

It does look nice under the hood.

I do notice a little more of a sound improvment, especially when aggressively stepping on the gas.

I've only had it (CAI) since the middle of June, and since it's a third car (weekend convertible), I haven't driven it enough to notice a gas mileage difference. I've mainly gone through a couple of tanks of gas since then and I haven't done a MPG calculation. I would say that I've only put about 650 miles on the car since I installed the CAI. I've only put 2,000 miles on the car since I got it in mid-April.

I haven't had any problems with it, whether it be driveability or the CEL going off.

Was it worth it? Well it hasn't hurt. If I'm getting an improvement in gas mileage, the little better sound, improved performance (even if you may not feel it), better look under the hood, and the fact that I won't have to buy another filter for it again collectively make it worth it for me. I was more concerned that the CAI would void the CPO and extended warranty I have on the car. My dealer assured me that there shouldn't be any issues.

I also installed it myself so I didn't have to pay to have it put in, so I saved a little on cost.

I am contemplating getting a tune for it in the future. MRT says they have a tune that can be used with the K&N, but for now, it's just a K&N with no tune.

As for the drop-in, I used to have one in my previous daily driver (2001 Acura TL). I would say that you will definitely not get any performance benefits from that. It's sole benefit is that you'll have a lifetime filter, and maybe A LITTLE better breathing. That's it. As a result, I didn't even bother getting one when I got my '06 Acura RL.
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I'm running a K&N without a tune.

I really can't say I've noticed a big difference in performance. Maybe a little bit, but if 7-8 hp gain is accurate, then that's hard to notice by seat-of-the-pants.

It does look nice under the hood.

I do notice a little more of a sound improvment, especially when aggressively stepping on the gas.

I've only had it (CAI) since the middle of June, and since it's a third car (weekend convertible), I haven't driven it enough to notice a gas mileage difference. I've mainly gone through a couple of tanks of gas since then and I haven't done a MPG calculation. I would say that I've only put about 650 miles on the car since I installed the CAI. I've only put 2,000 miles on the car since I got it in mid-April.

I haven't had any problems with it, whether it be driveability or the CEL going off.

Was it worth it? Well it hasn't hurt. If I'm getting an improvement in gas mileage, the little better sound, improved performance (even if you may not feel it), better look under the hood, and the fact that I won't have to buy another filter for it again collectively make it worth it for me. I was more concerned that the CAI would void the CPO and extended warranty I have on the car. My dealer assured me that there shouldn't be any issues.

I also installed it myself so I didn't have to pay to have it put in, so I saved a little on cost.

I am contemplating getting a tune for it in the future. MRT says they have a tune that can be used with the K&N, but for now, it's just a K&N with no tune.

As for the drop-in, I used to have one in my previous daily driver (2001 Acura TL). I would say that you will definitely not get any performance benefits from that. It's sole benefit is that you'll have a lifetime filter, and maybe A LITTLE better breathing. That's it. As a result, I didn't even bother getting one when I got my '06 Acura RL.
Lots of good info thanks alot now I am once again thinking of getting one. I do like how it looks and you never have to replace a filter and it suspose to give you 7.5 horsepower. I just dont want to throw any codes my only worry.
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My question to you is why risk it? If there is a chance of running lean, are those 7.5rwhp worth it?
There is a lot of misconception about this. Most computers can adjust up to about 15% where the CAI without a tune is only giving you a 3% change on a V6. Even if you did exceed the 15% the check engine light would come on first. Adding the CAI without tune is no different that having a dirty air filter for the computer, it will adjust mixture.

I'm getting about 2-3mpg more on the highway, car runs way better with the k&n cai that stock.

If you had a non-computer car with carb then I would be worried about running lean.
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