[bboy_spy]

Hey guys, I've been looking at superchargers on ebay (because they are too damn expensive brand new) and I have found a few options.. I'm currently looking at the Eaton MP90 4th gen supercharger (which is the same on on the x charger kit) Only problem is that it requires lots of bolting stuff on and what not. Although it says that it is self lubricated and that it does NOT require an intercooler which is nice.
The other supercharger I'm currently looking at is the Vortech V5. Now it says its compatible with engines 1.6L - 4.0 L which in theory would fit the mustang since its a 4.0L. Its a centrifugal supercharger so it attaches up to the intake hose i believe. (not really an expert on superchargers... but i'm doing my research and reading!) Any help would be appreciated guys! As aways thanks!!

[joshw2890]

I would assume the reason you are looking supercharger over turbo is because you want the instant boost. If this is the case stay away from centrifugal superchargers becuase they don't hit boost until high in the rpm range. The MP 90 is the only roots style blower for the v6, and would be a good one if you wanted the instant power.

[mrjimmy]

this is not mine but from another forum,,,wasnt sure how to post it. It didnt come out exactly as planned.


Parts for S197 V6 and X-charger # 37
I have a 2006 V6 and I am selling a bunch of parts from it.

4.0 Stock Motor $1200 obo

4.0 stock Auto tranny with supernatural 2800 Stall $500 obo and I also have the stock converter

Shaftmasters Alummium 3.5 driveshaft $350

Stock DS Best offer

7.5 rearend with 3.73 ford gears and ford T-lock best offter

Pony package susspension front and rear Stock shocks and strutts Stock rear lower Contol Arms GT Sway bars stock springs and Eibach pro kit springsBest offer

JBA Shorty headers $300 obo

#37 X-Charger Complete Low Miles $3200 obo



Every item is plus shipping but will work with it

smokeurz06@yahoo.com xman037 he is the one selling
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[sum_weirdo]

Yeah the cost is a *****...I paid abou $3500 CAD for my Vortech V2 kit. I don't know much about the V5 but if it's similar to the V2 it's not bad at all. Mine is pushing 12 PSI and the power comes in pretty quick if I "deliberately" go for it. Tapping the gas from light to light you won't notice much. Keep in mind if you get one that's not designed for the car you'll have to Macgyver up a mounting plate and ductwork (there's not much clearance between my s/c and the rad). Also no matter which route you go you'll probably have to upgrade the fuel injectors, those aren't exactly cheap. If you don't have the immediate cash for a full kit I'd consider a loan with monthly payments if that works better for you. Good luck and happy modding

[sum_weirdo]

PS. If you go with a Vortech kit I'd go with the "tuner" kit. It doesn't come with the fuel injectors or Diablo Predator but you can get the injectors separate and the Diablo Predator that's bundled with it is useless to every car except Vortech equipped 4.0s. It's money better spent on a dyno tune.

[bboy_spy]

hmm ok so if I'm planning to go with a basic set up...like no intercooler, I'm assuming I'll still need the fuel injectors and a diablo sport or sct tuner, which I plan to get anyway. In gonna check out the guy jimmy mentioned and see if I can mooch off his parts haha. If I go with the mp90, what other things would I have to buy besides the head unit and pulleys? Thanks guys!!!

[sum_weirdo]

Yeah you'll want to upgrade to 39LB injectors or you won't be able to run that much boost. As for the tuner, if you're cobbling something together from scratch then the tune will be custom, so you may want to hold off on buying a SCT or Diablo until you find out what your chosen dyno shop uses. Though I think SCT is a much better product than Diablo

[bboy_spy]

Weirdo... 2 things man.

1) Can I run the system without the 39lbs injectors? you said not THAT MUCH boost... meaning I'll still get a little bit? (I'm not looking for a giant boost, I just wanna go with a basic supercharge... 50-60 ponies maybe. Im on a budget so in the future maybe ill add the injectors....

2)I was leaning towards the SCT tuner from American Muscle anyway... I can mention the set up I have installed, and they send you a custom tune. Pretty sweet. I'm in socal and I'm gonna need to find a dyno shop... Is there a formal name or specific expertise i need to ask when when researching shops?

[sum_weirdo]

I feel your pain about the budget thing believe me I'm not positive, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the stock injectors are 24LB. Might be possible to squeeze like 3-4 PSI out of them, I don't have exact figures though, maybe someone wiser will come along and elaborate. If you got the supercharger running on there now you could maybe sneak around with a severe rev limit but I don't think you'll get those 50 ponies without risking damage to the motor.

I'm not positive but I don't think American Muscle will tune supercharged apps, they draw the line at cold air intakes and stuff like that. Pretty much any dyno shop will tune using either SCT or Diablo, their rates will vary. They'll probably charge a few hundred in addition to the cost of the tuner. Pretty lousy I know Wish I had better news for you.

Maybe you should consider Nitrous instead, it's much cheaper.

Originally Posted by bboy_spy

Weirdo... 2 things man.

1) Can I run the system without the 39lbs injectors? you said not THAT MUCH boost... meaning I'll still get a little bit? (I'm not looking for a giant boost, I just wanna go with a basic supercharge... 50-60 ponies maybe. Im on a budget so in the future maybe ill add the injectors....

2)I was leaning towards the SCT tuner from American Muscle anyway... I can mention the set up I have installed, and they send you a custom tune. Pretty sweet. I'm in socal and I'm gonna need to find a dyno shop... Is there a formal name or specific expertise i need to ask when when researching shops?

[bboy_spy]

hm i feel ya on the hurting the engine part... I could get the injectors... thats not a huge deal. Do i need 39 lbs exactly? or can i go for a little less or a little more? Also take a look here at the American Muscle page and tell me what your take on the description is (whether they accept supercharge tunes or not) SCT SF3/X3 Power Flash Mustang Custom Tuner - 3rd Generation SCT XCalibrator - FREE SHIPPING! Look where it says "Ordering a Custom Tune is easy" and then hit the "Enter Tune Info". It then takes you to a page where it asks you it's naturally aspirated, nitrous, or supercharged but for cobras only...? Maybe Ill just call them.

[sum_weirdo]

Originally Posted by bboy_spy

hm i feel ya on the hurting the engine part... I could get the injectors... thats not a huge deal. Do i need 39 lbs exactly? or can i go for a little less or a little more? Also take a look here at the American Muscle page and tell me what your take on the description is (whether they accept supercharge tunes or not) SCT SF3/X3 Power Flash Mustang Custom Tuner - 3rd Generation SCT XCalibrator - FREE SHIPPING! Look where it says "Ordering a Custom Tune is easy" and then hit the "Enter Tune Info". It then takes you to a page where it asks you it's naturally aspirated, nitrous, or supercharged but for cobras only...? Maybe Ill just call them.

Couldn't find that text on the page you provided but it sounds like AM only does supercharged tunes for stock apps like the Cobra.

Had me an idea though, Doug from bamachips.com is the one who wrote the tune for the XCharger. If you made a special request I bet he'd sell it to you along with the tuner, provided you match the general specs of the XCharger including the fuel injectors.

As far as getting injectors lower than the 39LB, it might be possible with some research but I doubt it would be worth it in the end. The 39LB are stock Cobra injectors, nothing especially fancy, I doubt you'd save money by getting lower flowing ones and you would have to get it dyno tuned if you did.

[Mr. Ugly]

Doug developed the X-Charger tunes in person working directly on a test car. Same with the tune on the X-Charger Extreme intercooler. Very intense work.

I don't expect that he'll do an email tune on a FI setup sight unseen.

In fact, I think I read on his website that he doesn't do email tunes on supercharged installation. Best to check there.

[sum_weirdo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Ugly

Doug developed the X-Charger tunes in person working directly on a test car. Same with the tune on the X-Charger Extreme intercooler. Very intense work.

I don't expect that he'll do an email tune on a FI setup sight unseen.

In fact, I think I read on his website that he doesn't do email tunes on supercharged installation. Best to check there.

Oh I know he won't do a custom tune over email. That's not what I'm suggesting. But if our friend here buys that Eaton supercharger and scratches together the few other necessary parts then he'll essentially have an XCharger system and Doug's tune should work just fine.

[bboy_spy]

I'm in socal... Does this guy have a garage or shop located near LA area? If so I could contact him and maybe have him take a look at it. Is there a general consensus that the eaton mp90 supercharger for 289 on ebay is the way to go?

[Mr. Ugly]

Doug/Bamachips is in Alabama.

I would tend to say don't go with the ebay unit unless you're a real extreme gear head.

The MP90's can come with different snouts, and you also have to configure the vacuum bypass on the correct side to fit.

Then you'd need to make up an intake and adapter for the base of the unit, plus inlet adapters to connect the throttle body.

Then there's a bunch of rewiring and sensor installation to get the air charge temperature sensor reading correctly.

And there's also some rerouting to get manifold pressure readings to work right with fuel pressure.

Bigger injectors, reworked fuel rails, resized MAF housing.

Plus the X tunes may not work unless all your homemade replacement parts flowed and behaved just like the kit parts.

If you do go through all that work, you should just go to a local shop for custom tuning. But it can be tricky. I heard of 2 X setups that blew up from bad custom tunes.