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Old 09-26-2007   #1 (permalink)
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Ok y'all another question. But before, the full story, I went with the 06 Malibu automatic, at the time of my first purchase with a dealership. Because all the stangs were out of my price range at Heller Ford, ended up paying 21k insurance warranties taxes and price of the malibu in all. Then I wrecked her, got a 14,539.22 settlement from progressive. That payed for around 99% of the sticker price for Lisa, my mustang, unfortunetly since I have a bad history with banks, my grandparents opened the account with their name as the main name and mine second. So I had to adhere to their rules, and they insist I've never driven a stick. So wouldn't know what to do. However I've driven 3 sticks before. Now I just got the consultants of my study partners for Auto Tech in college... They both agree it would not be worth the price to change my mustang from an automatic to a stick shift, they say I'll be putting more money into her then she's worth to get it running properly. And after examining a few posts on the forums I had my heart set on the T-lok with 4.30s and an H-pipe exhaust system.

Now heres the question. As mustang owners we all probably have had an automatic once in our lives at least and had the guts to change it to a manual aka stick. My question is, is it worth it? I know sticks get better gas mileage because an auto has a higher idle rate so needs more fuel. I also know that a stick gets a few more HP then an auto because the autos transmission has to focus on changing gears itself, rather you changing gears. So would the time invested and the money forked over, be worth it? Otherwise, I do have the manumatic 1st 2nd 3rd nothing more. And that doesn't seem right to me allowing an auto to change gears while I focus on the race slick vs. the guy I'm racing having to focus on 2-3 things at once.
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It would not be wroth the money and time put in to it. You would never get it back out of your car. Also the HP difference would not be that much different if you only change it to be a stick. If you really have you heart set on it, then fine a wrecked mustang at a junk yard. That will save money on the parts.
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Not worth it... In addition to the transmission changes you'd also need to swap the PCM.
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yeah, it would cost way too much money.. ive looked into it in when i got my car..
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to be honest guys, like my "Oooooh baby Oooooh baby Oooooh baby!" post put it, I am about ready to start making big bucks, in 3 years, thats about the time I have figured even a minimum wage, plus race winnings, that I start becoming someone in the street racing, and now classic car restoration business. I already own a 58 t-bird that isn't running, and already told my fiancee that t-bird is hers until I find a better classic car. Because in Arizona on the auction block, that particular year T-bird and style, fully restore fully documented during restoration is worth 64k at least, once I find a better classic once she's restored, my fiancee knows she's out a car, our bargain however is once I can afford two cars to restore is she gets her 69 Mustang. I agreed because, I have all I need in my life, her, and my grease monkey status.

So like I said, I'm not worried about the money, I'm, worried about can it be DONE, aka is it worth it, aka is it worth a try, and would it work in theory.

You guys have been so helpful, you've given me many ideas, and many try it it's worth try concepts. Always though money is involved. That's why I posted this thread, That's why I had the guts to ask. Forget money, y'all own 3-6 Mustangs at a time. Do you really think I am worried about money? like I said, 3 years tops, and I'll be hopefully a small business. Just tell me is it worth it on the racing concept.
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It CAN be done...with the right amount of money put into it anything can be done...stick is faster than the automatic but its not because it has more horsepower, I believe their exactly the same. If you have your heart set on doing it, by all means go for it, but keep in mind the amount of work and money that is going to go into it...
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It CAN be done...with the right amount of money put into it anything can be done...stick is faster than the automatic but its not because it has more horsepower, I believe their exactly the same. If you have your heart set on doing it, by all means go for it, but keep in mind the amount of work and money that is going to go into it...
thus the key to why I ask so many questions. I've always wanted a ford mustang, and every car or truck I've ever worked on, I put my heart and soul into it, as if it were a Mustang. I believe I have found my soul in my Lisa, and found my heart in my fiancee. So you Crzy bro, have hit the nail on the head, so I think I finally have the right question, what makes an automatic shift slower then a manual? I think if I get the conclusions I'm looking for from that question, we can close this thread after.
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Here is what you have to consider. You have 2 of the same mustangs. Mine v6 4.0L 5 speed vs yours v6 4.0L auto. same mods and whatever if you wanna throw that in there. Now with a computer and your auto tranny you can time you shifts perfectly to have won the race from the start. If I miss one beat I am done. You win. The more money you put into putting parts and stuff your honestly better just maybe getting a better tranny for racing and using the advantiges of an auto. I love stick, its the best feeling in the world to hit that gas and flow therw the gears on an open hwy but if your talking racing you have a large lead on everyone from the start if you know how to use it

And really with the right amount of money ANYTHING can be done
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Why not sell your auto and go buy a stick? ever think of that? seems like it would cost less and be a lot less work in the long run.

A stoc stick is much quicker than a stock auto. My 07's a auto and I thought about selling and going to a stick to, when I went and drove one I couldn't believe how much quicker it was. But thats the key word quicker not faster it's quicker because ford set the shift points on the auto way to soft. Buy a tuner and you can set them where you want and save a lot of money over converting to a stick.

Another thought is to find one with a salvage or flood title and buy it since you work at a restore shop anyway. Guy I work with got a 05 gt stick for 8k (salvage title) put 1,200 into it and it runs like new. A bank won't finance it but if you got the cash it's a good way to go.
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is it possible for you to convert a automatic tranmission on a 2006 v6 mustang to a transmission that has the e-shift or tiptronic or w/e the hell its called?
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If you pick up the latest issue of 5.0 Mustang and Super Fords there is an article on someone who did an auto to manual swap in an 05 GT vert. He also has a Saleen supercharger on it, and the article says something about the auto trans and it's torque converter working against the blower. Its an interesting read.

I love my auto ever since I got my tune. Have always wondered about the differences in manual vs. automatic though.
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I see said the blind man. Ok so with an auto I actually have a better advantage? I always thought it was the manual because the torque displacement values and the hp displaced during shifting on the auto trany, well then live and learn. Well it's not you can't put this on an auto because it's ment only for a stick. unless you're talking about the trany and shifter lol. Ok well I have another question then. is it possible to use the 4.30 gears in an auto? If so hell I'll just stick with the auto.
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You can use any 7.5 ford ring and pinion(gears for short). And if you are thinking about drag racing type scenarios then yes the auto is the way to go. Just get a tuner to get rid of the crappy ford shift points and you will be good to go. Also while your doing gears throw in a T-Lok(limited slip differential) for added traction of the line.
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You can use any 7.5 ford ring and pinion(gears for short). And if you are thinking about drag racing type scenarios then yes the auto is the way to go. Just get a tuner to get rid of the crappy ford shift points and you will be good to go. Also while your doing gears throw in a T-Lok(limited slip differential) for added traction of the line.
Ok I always thought a T-Lok was just a L.S.D untill I talked to a parts store and asked about getting an L.S.D. They told me I could get a FRPP L.S.D 8.8 32 splin for just under $1000. Then I asked him if he knew what a t-lok was. He said yeah its a traction lock and that was like $350. So is the t-lok just a part that you put in to make your stock diff an L.S.D?
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is it possible for you to convert a automatic tranmission on a 2006 v6 mustang to a transmission that has the e-shift or tiptronic or w/e the hell its called?
im guessing no then right?
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