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What's the best Longtube Headers with Catted X-pipe combination?

Exactly as the title asks...I wanna put LT headers on my car but keep the cats. I've been looking at the Borla XR-1 racing headers but then Borla does not make a Catted X-pipe to fit them. I've noticed that there aren't a lot of shorty catted x-pipes around... What do you guys suggest?

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What's your budget?

ARH & Kooks make a nice set-up with a catted X, but they're in the 1300+ USD range, depending on where you source them from.

American ARH2005M134 ARH LongTube 1-3/4 304-SS Headers w/Cats + X Pipe for 2005-10 Mustang GT V8 - ARH2005M134, American Header

Kooks Mustang Header and Catted X-pipe Combo (Manual 05-10 GT) at AmericanMuscle - Free Shipping!

Pypes makes a header that's almost a duplicate of the Kooks, in 304 stainless, and offer a matching off-road X that you could buy some aftermarket cats for...

Pypes Long Tube Headers w/ Shorty X-pipe (05-10 Mustang GT) at AmericanMuscle.com - Free Shipping!

Just a few examples for you to look at. There's several more brands out there, just gotta keep on looking

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Exactly as the title asks...I wanna put LT headers on my car but keep the cats. I've been looking at the Borla XR-1 racing headers but then Borla does not make a Catted X-pipe to fit them. I've noticed that there aren't a lot of shorty catted x-pipes around... What do you guys suggest?
Headers are a PITA and way too expensive for what you get. I wouldn’t put headers on a car until I already had a blower and built bottom end so I could make 500+hp.

I put headers on to get over 600hp. I still wish I didn’t have them, wish I didn’t have to pay for them, wish I didn’t have to put them on and wish I didn’t have to deal with the increase in noise.

I wish I stayed at 450hp and still had manifolds.

But if your going to get some go with the Kooks.

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Headers are a PITA and way too expensive for what you get. I wouldnít put headers on a car until I already had a blower and built bottom end so I could make 500+hp.

I put headers on to get over 600hp. I still wish I didnít have them, wish I didnít have to pay for them, wish I didnít have to put them on and wish I didnít have to deal with the increase in noise.

I wish I stayed at 450hp and still had manifolds.

But if your going to get some go with the Kooks.
I love my headers for the sound and there was a decent increase in power, but Squidd definitely has a point, be sure that headers are what you want before you invest in them because they can be a pain.

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Exactly as the title asks...I wanna put LT headers on my car but keep the cats. I've been looking at the Borla XR-1 racing headers but then Borla does not make a Catted X-pipe to fit them. I've noticed that there aren't a lot of shorty catted x-pipes around... What do you guys suggest?
Like the other guys have said, there's better places to put your money. Also if you are planning on staying NA or low boost, then staying with a catted 1 5/8 header. 400-450 hp is too low to make use of the 1 3/4 primaries. Maybe check out Pypes long tubes with catted x or h pipe if you're on a budget.

I have the Borla XR-1's I like they're sound but they lack a goilet/firecone/spike. Installation was kinda easy as far as long tube installation goes. It only took me 4-5 hours by myself with ramps.

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I put headers on to get over 600hp. I still wish I didnít have them, wish I didnít have to pay for them, wish I didnít have to put them on and wish I didnít have to deal with the increase in noise.

I wish I stayed at 450hp and still had manifolds.

But if your going to get some go with the Kooks.
My car was more enjoyable (and fit with my sleeper motif) with the factory stock exhaust - manifolds back to mufflers - than it is with the loud-ass Kooks and Bassani axle-backs.

But like said, in order to make the power I'm making now, I had to sacrifice that.

My builder gave me lots of LT options to choose from, so long as they were the Kooks he had already ordered for me, lol.

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Thanks for the input. The reason I thought about headers is because I saw a SRT challenger yesterday and it had headers and I'm pretty sure it had different cams and it sounded SOOOOO good. Maybe it was mostly the cams that made it sound like that. I might just go that rout instead. Cams and axle backs.

It sucks because where I live there aren't a lot of modded stangs around to listen to and figure out what I want.

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Axle backs are gonna give you the most change in sound for the lowest cost compared to going straight to headers. Youtube a bunch of videos and see which one you like best, that will change your sound significantly. Cams IMHO don't necessarily change the sound/tone itself, but the lope is addicting! and throwing down $800 plus install charges seems overkill just to get a sound you want. HP gains are seen with them as well. No doubt headers will too, but most longtubes shift the power. Drop off lower end TQ for upper end HP. Same with cams that actually are grinded for power gains instead of just sound or lope MOST of the time (there are exceptions). Then if you get, say, FRPP hot cams, and you decide you want to supercharge, those cams gotta go. Have a good idea of what you want before you spend loads on one setup and then change your mind.

Axle back suggestions: SLP Loudmouths, Corsa Xtremes, Borla Stingers, FR500S... I'm not a huge fan of chambered axleback for these 3 valves... just sound weird to me. Very 'tinny'. I wish I had the money for Corsa's or the FR500S... Both sound nice with no drone. Good Luck!

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I might just go that rout instead. Cams and axle backs.
This car has stock manifolds, catted Magnaflow X-pipe and a Pypes “Super System” (mufflers and resonators). I think it’s the best sounding S197 I have ever heard with a reasonable daily driver sound level. It’s pretty tame when cruising along but when you get in it the sound is glorious.
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Don't get me wrong, I like how the louder setups sound. But just not most of the time. Too loud to listen to the stereo, talk on the phone or even talk to the person you are with effectively. I'm 40 now though, when I was 20 I wouldn't have cared.


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Then if you get, say, FRPP hot cams, and you decide you want to supercharge, those cams gotta go.
Nooooooooo!, not Hot Rods!:nogrinner They are tough to make run right at low RPM's. If you are going to go for "sound cams" I think the Detroit Rockers are the way to go.

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Axle back suggestions: SLP Loudmouths, Corsa Xtremes, Borla Stingers, FR500S... I'm not a huge fan of chambered axleback for these 3 valves... just sound weird to me. Very 'tinny'. I wish I had the money for Corsa's or the FR500S... Both sound nice with no drone. Good Luck!
I agree, I'm a HUGE Flowmaster guy from days be gone. But they just don't fit the bill anymore. Straight through "cans" are the only way to go with the S197.

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Squidd, I think you like hearing the supercharger whine in that vid more than the exhaust!!!

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Squidd, I think you like hearing the supercharger whine in that vid more than the exhaust!!!
Yeah, supercharger whine from the front and exhaust from the rear, perfect.

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Haha I love the supercharger whine too but can't really afford that at this point in my life. I'd love to do it someday down the road but right now it just isn't even a possibility.

I've always thought about getting the Borla Stingers, I've watched so many Youtube videos of them and love the sound but I would still love to hear one in person because a video just doesn't do it justice sometimes.

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I have heard a GT with the Borla's in person, and believe me. It sounds AMAZING. The borlas have great tone to them, and aren't obnoxiously loud. Owning a mustang, you will know that there's aftermarket exhaust there. I was gonna get them for the longest time, but as a college student, couldn't quite scrape up the money for them, so Loudmouths it was for me. I would say go for them, they are very popular for a reason. Great quality and sound.

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Exactly as the title asks...I wanna put LT headers on my car but keep the cats. I've been looking at the Borla XR-1 racing headers but then Borla does not make a Catted X-pipe to fit them. I've noticed that there aren't a lot of shorty catted x-pipes around... What do you guys suggest?
The American Racing Headers longtube/x-pipe combo (catted) seems to be a really popular choice lately. Here's our package: 2005-2010 Ford Mustang GT ARH 1 5/8 Longtube Headers/X-Pipe w/Cats - UPR Products and AFM members get a discount off of that price. (PM me for the discount code) My dad has the ARH long tubes on his '09 and it sounds absolutely wicked.



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This car has stock manifolds, catted Magnaflow X-pipe and a Pypes “Super System” (mufflers and resonators). I think it’s the best sounding S197 I have ever heard with a reasonable daily driver sound level. It’s pretty tame when cruising along but when you get in it the sound is glorious.
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I have Stainless Works LT with high flow catted X-pipe and magnaflow magna packs and they sound great, my car is a DD and if you take off easy not to loud but if you get on it, it really sounds like a stock car. On the highway the drone is not bad unless you keep it in the lower gears and let the revs rise but then your mileage will really suffer. And if you want it really loud then don't get the catted X-pipe but just the off road X-pipe then it gets really loud when you lay into it I know I have the straight through pipe when I take it to the track. This set-up is not cheap $2200.00 complete LT catted X-pipe and magna packs.

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