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C&L Racer, Pypes Full exhaust, Steeda CMDPs and Steeda Pulleys, Brenspeed Detroit Rocker Cams, Shaftmasters aluminum one piece driveshaft.


Not bad at all for 4.10 gears. 93 tune by Chris Tillman.

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I really can't think of anything else I could add short of a SC.

90 degrees around 11AM Saturday 50+ Humidity.

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Thats 20 more than most but I would say the L/T headers and the C&L really made the flow that much better.

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No doubt . The DS free'd up some HP too.
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That's what I was wondering about was the DS. What do you think no problems or vibration. Does it Rev quicker and pretty smooth?
I have DR Cams and JLT2 3.37 gears and Steeda CMDP's.
Ehaust O/R H Pipe and Mac Chambered. The DS and UCA are my next step and still savingup for the Brenspeed Paxton NON Intercooled Package. I know I have been talking this but as soon as I came home from Iraq 5000 bones for Home HVAC and work on my 1ton truck. I'm happy for you and your numbers

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Very nice numbers sir. the detroit rockers are a very nice cams too I would have gone with them if I haven't had got a deal on the Ford hot rod cams. I 'm curious on what numbers I could get with those pulleys.

also just noticed you stopped around 6300 rpms. why? it looks like you were still pulling. raise the rev limit to 6800-7000 and see where you stop making power.
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That's what I was wondering about was the DS. What do you think no problems or vibration. Does it Rev quicker and pretty smooth?
I have DR Cams and JLT2 3.37 gears and Steeda CMDP's.
Ehaust O/R H Pipe and Mac Chambered. The DS and UCA are my next step and still savingup for the Brenspeed Paxton NON Intercooled Package. I know I have been talking this but as soon as I came home from Iraq 5000 bones for Home HVAC and work on my 1ton truck. I'm happy for you and your numbers

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Revs easily, decelerates easy and makes driving 4.10s easier. No vibration what so ever. Not even a little.

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Very nice numbers sir. the detroit rockers are a very nice cams too I would have gone with them if I haven't had got a deal on the Ford hot rod cams. I 'm curious on what numbers I could get with those pulleys.

also just noticed you stopped around 6300 rpms. why? it looks like you were still pulling. raise the rev limit to 6800-7000 and see where you stop making power.
I know!! I had it set to 6800 and shifting at 6600 before all these mods. The cams didn't make power up but they were holding well. I ask Chris Tillman this but I wasn't there for the pulls.. I argued that point to Chris Tillman but it was too late to dump money on a second run. Which leads me into my track update.

**** times! The car ran SLOWER. Here are my only guesses.

My limiter was originally set to 6800 but I would shift at 6600. When I got the car dyno tuned, the limiter was 6500 for some reason. My guy told me it was set that way since the cams stop BUILDING power at that point. Which is true BUT they had not dipped yet. They have shown in other dynos I have searched that they hold steady until about 7k. I do not have the valve train for 7k so 6800 is the highest I can go safely.

Since cams make power up top vs down low, the limiter being lower is killing my shift point for the land point. I ran 13.087 @ 107.80 with a 1.852 60'. The new 60 is a personal best despite everything else so I was excited for a great run but I banged the limiter in 1st, 2nd and 3rd. By it pulling harder, coupled with a lower limiter, my shifttiming was horribly off.

I reflashed it with the same tune, only change being the limiter from 6500 to 6800. Ran again. With a 1.9 60' I got a 13.026 at 109.00 MPH. This is not right, good launch, no banging the limiter. Throttle response was also a huge issue since the cams.

My explanation is simply on the dyno the car obviously is accelerated slowly but at the track it may be pulling timing, or simply, the peak HP is a nice number but the tune itself may have an issue.

So after 4 ****** ass runs I go home. I know the heat played a factor but with a composite manifold, it isn't as huge an issue. I should have still trapped 110.5 to 111.5 in the 82 degree 78% humidity.

I go home frustrated and go load an email tune I got before I installed the parts from my original tuning solution. All my old runs were on email tunes. The dyno tune should only been better BUT that was not the case.

After loading the bama email tune and the limiter being at 6800, I go for a test drive.

WOW!! ANYONE could tell how much better it ran. The car raped in all 3 first gears on the email tune vs the dyno tune, which again, obviously should have been better. I was breaking the tires loose on the street in 2nd by just punching it around 35 MPH. Something I could not do on the dyno tune.

So, now I am going back next Tuesday to try the new tune, then I will bring the tuner in case there is need to revert or compare tunes.

I am happy I seem to have resolved the issue, but sad that the extra money spent on a dyno tune did not yield positive results.

Tires were not an issue at the track having nailed a 1.852 60' despite the new goodies launching at 4500 RPM
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According to Drag Times there is hope. DA according to their calculator was
1660.

A far cry from the actual 33.

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Stock and Mildly Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.784 @ 111.108 MPH

Extensively Modified Naturally Aspirated Engines
12.89 @ 110.293 MPH

Extensively Modified Supercharged and Turbocharged Engines
12.947 @ 109.671 MPH
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Went back tonight after 4 hours of rain lol

The rev limiter change would. not. take.

It FINALLY took and I ran a new best of 12.837 @ 109.09 MPH in 77 degrees and 90% humidity. I did this with a worse 60' of 1.901 and spinning 2nd COMPLETELY since the track was wet. LIke, literally. Rained 45 minutes prior and it never dried up. I never spin 2nd so may try Friday again when it has been dry since I SPUN to a 1.901 so if I could repeat my 1.852 or 1.873 60' times and not spin 2nd, I see a 12.700 or faster in the same conditions.

Corrected was 12.6XX @ 110.70 or some **** like that but I don't bank on them too much because simply put, I did't run those times. I am happy since it is IN the car, just need to try when a little cooler and no rain.

I did this by reloading the Tillman tune which was NOT taking my damn rev limit change. Took about 7 tries. Not so frustrated anymore haha

My ultimate goal in cooler temps is 12.4XX or faster.
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very nice. I have a set of Steeda CMDPs and hot rod cams sitting in my room right now waiting to be installed. i wanna hit 12s!
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very nice. I have a set of Steeda CMDPs and hot rod cams sitting in my room right now waiting to be installed. i wanna hit 12s!
Not very nice yet. I was running 12.8 before DS, cams, CMDPs and pulleys. I am just banking on the time being what it was since humidity was 90%
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very nice sir! yea my best time is a 12.9 @ 106 with a 1.84 60ft.

Nice work out there. if you got a 1.8 60ft your def. a 12.6-12.7
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12.6 and 7 would not be satisfactory.
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Nice numbers! My buddy is looking into the same mods on his 05.
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What sort of tires are you running? Those are dandy 60' times.
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Did you install the D/S? Which D/S and what pinion angle?
It's amazing that email tune turned up the volume like that. I would be embarassed if an email tune dropped 1/4 mile times from 13.0 to 12.8 and in the rain.
 
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