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Turbo or Supercharger ?

OK, guys and girls need some input. When the new Pony hit the street in 05 superchargers were the rage and everyone was getting one. Now the trend seems to be the Turbo is the way to go. Have been looking at the Saleen Supercharger for quite sometime and the power is impressive but the costs about $8K is steep.The turbos seem to be putting out the same horsepower and quite abit less. Which way to go? So come on everyone with both systems drop the pros and cons on both would help me a ton. Also anything else you need in add ons or issues.This is planned to be a winter mod so time is on my side.
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There are other superchargers out there for less. You can look on
superchargers4less.com is a good place to start..... I also have my SC install planned for the Winter. It's really going to bite having to store it for 5 months, then having to stare at it everyday until Spring..... Just my 2 cents.....

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with the supercharger you will have to waste 50 hp just to turn it.
turbo charges make more usable power because it runs of the exhaust. super charger is easier to install. turbo chargers last longer. i would suggest a cooler with either to bring down the intake air charge temperature. turbos cost more with parts and labor...
either way you go you will drop between 3 and 5 grand...
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You'll only lose 50 hp turing a blower at higher speeds and full boost. 90% of the time you'll lose only a small handful of power to turn the blower. In return you don't have to wait for a turbine to spin up to make power. Yes, a turbo is capable of making more peak power in large part due to this. On the flip side, turbos are typically more difficult to tune and more temperamental for a daily driver. They require turbo timers, boost controllers and things like that. A blower install doesn't need any of this, just the kit. If 8K has you turned off on a Saleen blower, check out the new Kenne Belle lineup. I got mine installed with gages and twice the tune time, rear end lube change and tranny fluid change for right about 8 grand. I really think if you search for a deal, you can have a KB installed for right around $6500.

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It's all what you want to have/do. KB's are awesome and great for low end power/torque, SC are awesome, make high end horsepower. If I had the money I would switch and go turbo, just becuase they are very efficient and can make tons of boost with very little effort. I would DEFINETLY stay away from Saleen/Ford superchargers...a vortech/paxton will be much less and make more power. I would, since you have a newer model look at the Magnuson's..really nice fit/finish and look..and amazing power. See..it's really what you want..sooooo many choices.
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This spring I watched my buddy install a turbo kit on his 04 GT.
Took him 2 months to get it together.
I bought a Kenne Bell, installed it my self in one weekend.
We haven't gotten to the track to race each other but he says he ran 14.00 @ 116 mph smokin' the tires.
I think he is making more power than me with his 2 valve motor than I have with my 3 valve motor. He claims to be running only 8 psi, same as me. It might just be that his has a 5 speed and 3.73's and I have a auto and 3.23's.
Anyway, like mentioned before, turbo's are more complicated, but may make more power.

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marstng, I'm pretty sure you've got 3.27's. Also, the FRPP supercharger in their catalog is a Whipple if I remember correctly. I've seen a coupld of cases where it made just about 400/400 non-intercooled at 7 or 8 psi. Not too bad actually.

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marstng, I'm pretty sure you've got 3.27's.
Oh well? will 0.04 make that much diff?
I'm just used to GM's popular ratios since I sell'em all day long.:hihi:

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I went with saleen s/c have 1,000 miles on the car tons of power I also had it upgraded for a little more bite. No problems yet, dealer installed. and has a warranty.
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Where do you get $8000.00 for the Saleen? Saleen.com has it for $5700.00?

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Originally Posted by marstng
This spring I watched my buddy install a turbo kit on his 04 GT.
Took him 2 months to get it together.
I bought a Kenne Bell, installed it my self in one weekend.
We haven't gotten to the track to race each other but he says he ran 14.00 @ 116 mph smokin' the tires.
I think he is making more power than me with his 2 valve motor than I have with my 3 valve motor. He claims to be running only 8 psi, same as me. It might just be that his has a 5 speed and 3.73's and I have a auto and 3.23's.
Anyway, like mentioned before, turbo's are more complicated, but may make more power.
At the same boost levels, turbos will make more horsepower than a supercharger.

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Look at the thread I made on the Supercharger VS Turbocharger. I did some extensive research and came to the conclusion that the Turbocharger is the better route. There's two people on here that had supercharger kits, switched to a Turbo platform and came out with better numbers for roughly the same price. Plus the Turbocharger will last longer, takes less strain on the engine and is easier to maintain.

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I spent some time yesterday with Mike Bowen at Powerhouse. He showed me his 10 sec powerhouse pipeline turbo GT. What a great setup that is. He mentioned that one of the benefits of the turbo (beside no parasitic drag) is no damaging harmonics transfered through the crank as can be the case with a supercharger.

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Hi Bnkrtoy
I did not pay $8,000. The total cost installed, with the upgrade kit, all done by the dealer was about $6,900 plus tax.

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Look at the thread I made on the Supercharger VS Turbocharger. I did some extensive research and came to the conclusion that the Turbocharger is the better route. There's two people on here that had supercharger kits, switched to a Turbo platform and came out with better numbers for roughly the same price. Plus the Turbocharger will last longer, takes less strain on the engine and is easier to maintain.
While I agree with you that the turbo is ultimately the better choice to make power, the supercharger has its advantages.

The kits are cheaper to purchase, they are easier to install, tune and dont require adding/changing too much more plumbing and such.

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