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Unread 01-01-2006   #1 (permalink)
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So what information is out there on this "black box" we all have onboard our Mustangs? Other than the brief statement in the Owners Manual declaring how it is secure information what's the real story? How can the data be accessed?
It sounds paranoid but I think it would be great to be able to review how the car was driven when it is being serviced, etc.

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So what information is out there on this "black box" we all have onboard our Mustangs? Other than the brief statement in the Owners Manual declaring how it is secure information what's the real story? How can the data be accessed?
It sounds paranoid but I think it would be great to be able to review how the car was driven when it is being serviced, etc.

Big brother watching.
Your speed, breaking, all the things that insurance companies can use if you were involved in a accident, especially if fatal, I think they have to get a court order to use it.
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I think they have to get a court order to use it.
yup. and insurance companies will have a VERY hard time getting it. its for accident investigation only. not for upping premiums. they cant pull it just b/c you were in a crash. the police have to get a court order for it. i covered this once before on here. dont worry about it. there are not blacked out CIA helicopters with no FAA numbers tracking you, or satellites either. in over 300 crashes i have worked, i have never had one pulled. the "box" is open to interpretation when it is pulled. (eg: just b/c you were at WOT when you crashed doesnt mean you were speeding.) saw that one recently. a good accident investigator will be able to figure out what happened. its an exact science. if the box is pulled it will only re-confirm what the investigator already knows. trust me, i work for the government. im here to help!:laughlitt seriously, dont fret about it.
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there are not blacked out CIA helicopters with no FAA numbers tracking you, or satellites either...trust me, i work for the government. im here to help!:laughlitt
Yeah and dubya and friends are monitoring your phone and email so they can protect you.
It wasn't too long ago that the Soviet Union was helping their citizens in a similar fashion

But seriously, older Ford vehicles have what is called an EDR or Event Data Recorder.

Ford is slowly moving away from the Vetronix system. You can see this from the list below.

List of all vehicles with an EDR on board.

Newer Ford vehicles use what's called a RCM or Restraint Control Module.
Since access to the data is exclusive to Ford it's difficult to compile a complete list of parameters monitored but I hear it's pretty extensive.
The RCM records from 5 seconds before an event upto and including the event

Here is a list of what may be monitored.

lateral acceleration
longitudinal acceleration
vertical acceleration
deceleration
heading
vehicle speed
engine speed
seat belt status
braking input
steering input
gear selection
delta v
turn signal status
brake light status
head/tail light status
hazard light status
brake system status
ABS status
stability control status
environmental conditions
cruise control status
throttle position
airbag deployment criteria
airbag deployment time
airbag deployment energy
time between airbag non-deploy and deploy event
ignition cycle count at investigation and event times.



Here are a couple of good links:

Harris Technical Services

Vetronix

Crash Data Retreival System
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