Wouldn't bolting a supercharger onto a 2005-2009 v6 kind of be the same thing as buying the new 2011 v6 mustang, if not better?
Gas mileage isn't even changed I don't think.
Not sure why current v6 owners are bummed and talking of trading in for the new ones.
Just my opinion, but I prefer the look of the 05-09 over the 2010+ anyway. Throwing a supercharger on would give you the same car, with a better appearance.
Again, not sure if I am missing something here, but I am not understanding all the fuss.
Personally I doubt the base V6 Mustang is going to be that 315HP from the Taurus SHO or the Lincon MKS. I don't see how they're going to do that and still be able to sell the car for $21,000. Maybe we'll see the 4.0L V6, the 315 3.7L V6, and then the new GT... When will we know for sure?
I think it was pretty much confirmed it wouldn't be the 4.0 anymore. Dec 5th at the LA auto show is when they officially unveil it.
If GM has their 300hp Camaro, I am pretty sure Ford is following suit.
I still would consider just throwing on a supercharger to make the most sense from a power and appearance standpoint. I am unsure if it would be more cost effective than opting for a 2011 mustang though..
The only thing I don't understand is how the HELL they are going to make it run on 87 octane. The 3.6L Chevy Camaro runs 11.4 static on 87, so it has to be possible... Or they differed funds from efficiency to bribery... hahaha
A Novi supercharger basically turns a V6 into a V8 with 2 less injectors and spark plugs. They're massive enough to account for the room of two cylinders! It's all fine-and-dandy under low boost, but the 4.0's are EXTREMELY well known for cracked pistons and/or blown gaskets from most systems producing as little as 6 PSI. Adding insult to injury, quite literally, you have to use premium gas with most forced induction systems, even low-boost ones!
Well actually the 4.0 has a more reliable engine then 2011+ mustangs as far as cracked pistons under boost pressure not true i know plenty of people running sc and turbo kits on a 4.0 v6 stang with 7 to 10 psi boost it has been confirmed that a 4.0 can run at 12 psi boost and be safe at max.
Car technology has evolved so much in just the past 10 years, we are all still thinking in 80-90's engine technology. Direct Injection coupled with coil on plug ignition, or maybe even the new laser ignition Ford announced a month ago, along with variable cam timing and today's newest engine computers can accomplish alot with a little. Ten years ago getting 300hp from a V8 would require a good set of modifications and 91 or even with some engines, 93 octane.
We aren't done with the internal combustion engine yet...
Ford is backed into a corner with the base model Camaro pushing out the same horsepower with their V6 as a Mustang GT.
To compete it has to shove something besides a Ranger engine into the base model Mustang and keep the price below the competitors.
Keep in mind that the 2011 V6 will still fall short on HP and Torque compared to the base Camaro. So it would be stupid pricing strategy for Ford to seek an MSRP that is the same as the more potent V6 Camaro.
Don't get me wrong I love my car's body styling, and I am one of the few out there that love the 2010 all around. I'm with you, slap FI on my car and have no problem with the new ones yeah!
What will happen though when people with the new 3.7 slap a supercharger on them?:?:
Nissan is probably rubbing their hands together in worry trying to figure out what they can do now, now that Ford has a motor that can compete with their beloved V6.
Back on track, I'm probably going to keep my car N/A since I plan to get one of the new 5.0 GT's in a few years. But yeah, I agree with you...
The current GT is still faster than the 2010 Camaro V6... The HP may be about the same but the GT still has more torque. The GT is rougly 1.2 seconds faster than the 2010 V6 Camaro.
If Ford makes the new V6 to fast then people will stop buying GT's... I agree that Ford needs to remain competitive and beef up there V6 and GT models but keep the prices at the current price point and make sure there is still a substantial difference between the two models.
Something like 3 out of 4 Mustangs sold are V6's! It's about damn time Ford give statistics such as this one a good meaning!
The 2010 Mustang GT is 300 bhp and runs a 4.9 in the quarter. The 2010 Camaro SS is 426 bhp and runs a 4.8 in the quarter.
Can you imagine what the 2011 Mustang will be running with 400 bhp? This is the most bhp Mustangs have ever gained from a production engine swap. Almost 30% for the GT and almost 50% for the V6!
Also, it was Carol Shelby who said, "Horsepower sells cars; torque wins races."
I never heard of an american production car that ran a quarter mile in 4.8 seconds.
I am truly hoping you meant 14.8?
And as for "People will always buy GTs"
If Ford pushes out a V6 that would mop the floor with stock GTs from 2010 back, and still give you that V6 price/insurance...I think the numbers would be staggering.
Why get a GT when you can have something that is N/A to be better? Then you can throw on a SC and be running with all over the newer GTs.
Of course this would mean Ford's new GTs would have to mop the floor with the V6. And if it weren't for the body style, I'd be moping em up with one.:bigthumbsup
It's true though it's the V6 model that makes all the money. Just know that wherever you go, and no matter how many V8s there are, there are probably double the V6's running around.
I dont think there is a production car in the world that runs high 4's lol, Maybe in the 1/8th, but not in a 1/4.
But regarless of what engine and hp they put in the new ones I dont think Ford will screw us over as far as price as chevy did with the camaro :gringreen
I wish they would stay with a large v6... 4.0L is pretty good size for a 6 shooter.. if only they could make better use of the displacement. 4.0L with good cams/ heads/ engineering.... :kooky:
No, supercharging a 05-09 v6 is nothing near the same as a 2011 v6. HP wise...maybe. 2011 uses direct injection. Which is a completely different technology from electronic fuel injection. DI, will get way more gas mileage than EFI when at cruising speeds. EFI can only inject fuel during the intake stroke. DI can inject fuel at any stroke, and also more then once per cycle. So the gas mileage increase on the DI comes from the fact that it can inject fuel into the cylinder at the end of the compression stroke with an A/F ratio of like up to 65:1. You also do not need a high octane fuel either, since it can inject fuel at the end of the compression stroke, it doesnt have to worry about pre ignition due to heat from compression. Cant do that with EFI. Also, the way it sprays fuel into the cylinders is different to...it supposedly sprays in a cone that stays away from the walls, so it burns cleaner, and more completely resulting in better emissions as well.
hey torpedo,
I posted a similar thread about whether or not the 3.7 duratec would fit into the 2005-2009 body style. I agree i like my 2005 rear look, but the 2010 interior is awsome. The plant that makes the 4.0 is closing down from what I seen on the internet. The lima plant in ohio i think makes the 3.7. I think the old 4.0 was made in germany or australia, not sure. The 4.0 is definitely done. We will find out in December at the LA auto show. If I could put the 3.7 in my 2005 for the cost of a good turb or S/C I would seriously consider that before I take a beating on trading for a new car. But we will have to research and see when they come out. I know a v8 swap is a big deal on v6 cars.
I was just thinking about this... how would swapping out our 4.0L for the new 3.7 work out? I would assume it would be easier than putting in a V8, and you would definitely have the space under the hood. Just dont know about the tech aspects of it.
I've heard from a bunch of sources (all over the place now) that, for 2011:
The 4.0L V6 is being replaced by the 3.7L V6, which is much more efficient.
The 4.6L V8 is being replaced by the 5.0L V8, which is a beast.
The SHO twin turbo V6 everyone is so excited about will NOT be offered for the Mustang, as Ford want to keep a clear difference between the V6 and GT.
:bigthumbsup
I think the only way to get the ecoboost v6 into a stang is to tear it out of the F-150, that is, if Ford does put it into the F-150 like was planned a while back.
The debate of 2011 V6 vs. V8 from a marketing standpoint makes me wonder what's gonna happen to the GT500? :bigthumbsup
Good news though, that Ford is taking the muscle 'war' seriously. I'm getting tired of all the Camaro folks bashing our cars... We all love American Muscle... that should be good enough for all of us, including the Camaro 'royalty'.
The Shelby is, allegedly, going to have an aluminium block. What this will do, other than make the front-end a bit lighter, I have no idea.
But... The combination of aluminium heads and block would lead to less worry about blown head gaskets, allowing for higher compression or more boost... :bigthumbsup
Are our 2005-2009 V6 Mustangs going to plummet in value, more than usual, now that a new engine is out? Also don't expect a dramatic increase in performance with the new engine/ I bet 0-60 times will still be in the 6 second area.
By looking at the 2004 Mustang v6 I'd assume you can see how the value of our cars would be affected. Not only did they most likely get an increase in power (not familiar with the 04's hp though), the 05+ looks about a billion times better. Not sure if the value plummeted on them or not though, but would be a good point to research.
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