If GM folds the Camaro either as part of the Chapt 11 restructure or because they disappear down the toilet, can you imagine what a collector car the '10 Camaro will be. Woof! Personally, I'd rather see Mitsu, Kea (oops, too late), Toyot or Honda take to the hills instead of GM or Chrys. They aren't my first choice but I'd take a "home" brand over one that isn't.
we still have the last true muscle car left were the only one with the true rear live axles all the rest went ricer with full independent and remember the last time you seen a top fueler running a ind. susp. i sure dont
I disagree; the mustang isn't the last true muscle car. The last true muscle car stopped being made in about 1974 (I said about 1974, there were a few after but most true muscle cars stopped being made around then). Though we have the truest muscle car currently being produced its still not a real muscle car. It’s more of a "pseu-muscle car".
Yes a top fuel dragster does have a live axle but how many top fuel dragsters do you see driving around town? Further more how many mustangs do you see running 4.5 second 1/4 miles? I don't think that cars designed purely for racing in the 1/4 mile or for any form of racing for that matter should be compared to cars designed for street use.
That being said I wonder how much the v6 Camaro must cost, I would bet almost as much as a brand new GT, so if nothing else we have a cheaper car. Plus our cars have a larger after market then the Challenger and Camaro combined.
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well... Ford should have made the 2010 V6 closer to 300 hundred horsepower. Instead, they left it alone.
What does this tell us?
It tells us that the V6 sells MORE than well enough with the 4.0 210 hp that they didn't feel the need to upgrade it's power.
It also tells us that the 4.0 are "relatively" easy to modify and draw power out of. I'd say more than half the members here have modified their stangs to something much better than stock. Many with Turbo/Superchargers...
For the extra cost to buy a V6 Camaro (which, by the way, has NONE of the looks and personality of the Mustang) you can get your 4.0 pretty darn close.
that said....
it sure would be easier if Ford just made them faster....Maybe if we all stop buying so many they'd do it.
fat chance.
We just love 'em too much.
The reason ford left the v6 alone is the v6 primarily sells to people not concerned that much with power, rather then driving just a nice car that has a great design. Keeping the hp lower, production costs will be lower and there will be more of a desire to get a gt if you really want power. The majority of those who have the money and want a truely powerful car will opt for the gt as it is still reasonably priced. If you look at the numbers, the v6 sold extremely well, and the majority remain stock which the general public is plenty happy with.
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The reason ford left the v6 alone is the v6 primarily sells to people not concerned that much with power, rather then driving just a nice car that has a great design. Keeping the hp lower, production costs will be lower and there will be more of a desire to get a gt if you really want power. The majority of those who have the money and want a truely powerful car will opt for the gt as it is still reasonably priced. If you look at the numbers, the v6 sold extremely well, and the majority remain stock which the general public is plenty happy with.
usually around 60/40% 6cyl/GT (closer to 65/35% for 2008).
The Horsepower could definitely go up a bit without adversely affecting the price too horribley. Pontiac offers a 6 with more bhp for not too much more $$ as does plenty of asian cars. The Ford Fusion V6 (SEL??) puts out more and so does the Taurus. Granted, like you said, all at a certain cost but compared to the cost of a brand spanking new GT (still hovering around 28,000-32,000 with a few options)....seriously... I paid almost 20,000 for my 2008 V6 Premium new. I might have been tempted to spend 24,000 for a "middle of the road" V6 with a CAI, 3:73 Gears, exhaust (wouldn't even have to be dual just upgraded maybe GT muffler), better handling package and perhaps a different or modified engine putting out say...250-260bhp... If the GT is now up to 315, they could offer a special edition only V6 for an "in-between price".
Hell, Dodge has been offering that with it's Chargers for a few years now.... there's like 5 different engines to choose from and countless options.
idk about you guys but im tired of seeing five hundred mustangs around town and none of them wanna race!!!! jk jk i race my fair share of mustangs but really i wanna race something other then a charger or 98 camaro with exhaust. getting bored beating up on all the same cars. if the camaro comes out i dont know weither or not to be happy about it, i mean something else to eat rice with, or to dislike it cause its a american muscle that i have to eat. i guess regardless my car is gonna have a full stomach 24/7
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We are only talking 3/10 of a second here but that is in a straight line. Our V6 Mustangs are still in a class of there own when it comes to this type of car. Why? The 4000 lb Cam will never be able to run the ets at solo II or closed course time attack events. Stock Gts are even a little slower than stock V6 stangs at these events because of the weight and the weight distribution. We have a great car for many different reasons and if I get beat in a straight line by any kind of car, I could care less. I have never had anyone accept an invitation to meet at a local solo II event even when I have offered to pay for thier day. No matter what you drive there will always be something a little faster in a straight line just around the corner but in our case I think we have great thing going here. That my pure stock stang at a sanctioned event in GS 1 class. Mustang - Auto Cross
First off, based on what autotrader reports, the new v6 camaros weigh less then 3800 lbs, so maybe about 350 lbs more then most mustang v6s.
Second, although they have 300hp, thats at a very high rpm.
Their stated torque is rated around 270 if i recall, only about 30 more then our v6s. So they def have more power, but torque is what really matters in any race imo.
So although their hp ratio is alot higher, the torque ratio isnt too far off. Also, this is stock vs stock, adding a new muffler, cai and tune to our v6s gives us a good 25 or so more ponies, not sure about the torque but probably about the same difference. Also, I dont think the new camaros come in blue and my car MUST be blue, sonic blue, vista blue, doesnt matter
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I love the math and your point is perfectly stated. I have a question about the weight you have for our cars. Where did the figure come from and how is the car equipped? I have a very basic V6 manual. It has no TCS, ABS or much of anything else. I have had it on a scale twice on with approx. 4 gallons of 87. I remove the spare, jack, trunk and floor mats plus empty the glove box and console before I race it and it weighed at 3128 both times. I will have too look but aren't the V6s 210 hp? It is hard to imagine that what I take out of the car weighs 223. I don't doubt the figures, I am just surprised by the difference.
It just depends on the option in the car. Yours sounds like it is pretty basic so their is not as much weight in the car as others that have an auto tranny, power options, leather etc. etc.
The Camaro V6 will beat the Mustang V6 in a heads up competition, no way of getting around that. lol I could see it handling better than the Mustang as well since it has the independent suspension. No way to know until the car is actually on the streets though. I do not see why everyone is so obsessed with independent suspension, we drive sports cars, they are not supposed to ride like a Cadillac...
You know I just saw a Camaro review in the local paper, pretty glowing. Little too glowing actually, it proclaims that the Camaro is lighter than its domestic competition, I think we've established that it's not. Lighter than a Challenger maybe...
The test driver also commented that power for the V6 doesn't really come in until after 3500 RPM, I'll be curious to see what it's like to race one.
Also I've been looking at pics of the interior 2010 Camaro Gallery Page I gotta say I don't much like it, looks like someone ate a few drawings and threw them up on the design table And is it just me or does the left-side vent look almost identical to the one's in our Mustang?
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Autometer Gauges
Pioneer Head Unit
I don't care if they're faster than mustangs. As long as they beat the **** out of the ricers still standing today. Any type of muscle beats the crap out of those 2 liter shitmobiles.
But, one thing for sure they didn't spend a lot of time on the design. I sat in one at the cleveland auto show, and being 5' 11'' I could never get used to the small window shield. The steering wheel was blocking half of it... not very driver-friendly.
getting bored beating up on all the same cars. if the camaro comes out i dont know weither or not to be happy about it, i mean something else to eat rice with, or to dislike it cause its a american muscle that i have to eat. i guess regardless my car is gonna have a full stomach 24/7
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