Two: Would a regular K&N Air filter be an improvement over the stock one and if so how much?
Thanks a bunch
+1 on the warranty issue. If you keep all your stock intake parts, your XCAL or diablo tuner should be able to re-load stock tune and then you can re-install stock parts and Dealership will not be able to tell anything other than the PCM was re-flashed. therefore all still on warranty.
If you do take it in for warranty work and flashed it back to stock before hand, DO NOT re-load tune file when you get it back, until you verify Ford did not re-flash your code on the PCM without your knowledge, ( they do that) or you will lock up your car and none of the tune files you have will work and it wont start without a dealer re-flash and a towing bill....
I tried a K&N for a while (still have it, if anyone wants it) . on the stock tune, the K&N actually lost top end HP at WOT because of too much air...then I got a CAI and tune combo...never looked back.
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06 4.0 Vista blue 5spd
_______________________________________ C&L CAI, Xcal2, Brenspeed, VMP, BAMA, tunes
Flowmaster AT, JBA Powercables, MGW shifter, Royal Purple fluids, Hellwig rear sway, CHE K-brace & limiters, 4 way Roush springs, tinted glass, J&M UCA/LCA's, 17" Gt take off bullits, 1/4 louvers, shaftmaster aluminum 3.5, T-lok, 3.73's, SS Shorty headers
If you discover that the dealer reflashed the PCM BEFORE you brick your car, what are your options? Do you just have to take it back to the dealer and say, "Reload the original?" Does this apply to the canned C&L tunes as well as custom ones?
I live in fear of having to undo the whole CAI/tune to take it into the dealer to get something unrelated fixed, just so I don't have to fight with them!
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2005 Mustang GT in Torch Red
C&L Cold Air Intake/Diablosport Predator Tune
Tokico D-Spec Shocks & Struts
Steeda Sport Springs/Front and Rear Swaybar/Front Swaybar Brace/LCAs/Adjustable Panhard Bar and Brace
Steeda-branded Borla Stingers
Steeda Underdrive Pullies
1965 "GT" Logo and some other chrome bits
If you discover that the dealer reflashed the PCM BEFORE you brick your car, what are your options? Do you just have to take it back to the dealer and say, "Reload the original?" Does this apply to the canned C&L tunes as well as custom ones?
I live in fear of having to undo the whole CAI/tune to take it into the dealer to get something unrelated fixed, just so I don't have to fight with them!
You would need to read the PCM strategy with the device and provide that information to your tuner so he could modify the tunes to match the new strategy.
I feel like I got an offical answer on this question today. First, fordracing.com, ford customer service, my salesman, my service manager, and the parts manager at the dealership I bought my stang from all did not know. But finally someone put me in touch with someone who did know.
He said that anything put on the car that isnt stock would void the warranty if the problem was related. So I specifically asked "If my check engine light came on, you guys would blame the cai?" and he said "I'll be honest with you, if Ford can blame it on aftermarket, they will" He then went on to say that if something completely unrelated went wrong, like my power windows stopped working, my warranty would cover it.
I also asked him if it would make a difference if I had a dealership install the cai and he said no. I could have Henry Ford rise from the grave and install it, it still would void my warranty.
Another surprise, not all dealerships would install the cai, even though I bought it from fordracing.com. Well, at least mine wouldnt...and the dealership is in Kennesaw Ga., a suburb about 20 minutes north of Atlanta.
SO...you can buy a ford part from ford and have it installed by ford, it doesnt matter. Your warranty to the parts involed with the aftermarket part is void.
#1 Here is the bottom line: They cannot void your warranty for anything until they have diagnosed the problem. This is per federal law (Magnusson Moss Warranty Act). So, if you change your own oil, use non-motorcraft parts, install a cold air intake, exhaust, suspension, wheels and tires, etc, they have to honor the warranty unless what you did caused the problem, which is determined AFTER diagnosis, not just seeing the parts on the car. The official position of SEMA (the aftermarket trade association that Ford and Ford Racing are dominant members in) regarding consumer warranty rights and suggestions is located here:Sema.Org
#2 The Ford Racing Cold Air Intake IS WARRANTIED BY FORD. And ironically, it is only warrantied by Ford, no diagnosis needed, when the part is installed at the FORD DEALER. So, the dealers that refused to install the Ford Cold Air Intake, are idiots. They just threw away business. For more information regarding this special warranty relationship please see the Ford Racing Parts website: http://www.fordracingparts.com/warra..._STATEMENT.pdf
The part you need would be an M-9603-XXX part depending on your model year but pretty much all 2005-2008 Ford Mustang Cold Air Kits are covered by a special warranty that is actually recorded into the Ford Service database upon installation by the Ford Dealer.
So why are you getting the run around by your dealer? Simple, most dealers are clueless when it comes to Ford Racing Parts. Another reason why dealers are hesitant to touch modified cars is that there is LESS PROFIT in it for them. What I mean is this. Unless the dealer you go to has a significant aftermarket parts system in place where they modify cars all the time for extra business, your dealer will choose to make money on the other side of the coin. Basically, a ford warranty claim pays about half as much as if you paid for the repair. Therefore, you can see their interest in scarying and bending the truth to unknowing customers. You have rights. Ford Racing has a special warranty agreement on their 2005-2008 Mustang parts. You can use any brand of parts if you want, it is just that the Ford Racing Parts become listed in the database file with your cars service records and Ford agrees to foot the bill for repairs resulting from the part being installed.
I remember when dealers would tell customer that oiled filters and open element air boxes voided the warranty. Well guess what, they come as standard equipment on the Shelby GT and the Bullitt. So, what now Mr. Service Manager? Ford Racing even includes a warranty on the 400HP whipple supercharger. Yeah, a supercharger. Hope I could help you and any other unsuspecting enthusiasts that have the same question.
#1 Here is the bottom line: They cannot void your warranty for anything until they have diagnosed the problem. This is per federal law (Magnusson Moss Warranty Act). So, if you change your own oil, use non-motorcraft parts, install a cold air intake, exhaust, suspension, wheels and tires, etc, they have to honor the warranty unless what you did caused the problem, which is determined AFTER diagnosis, not just seeing the parts on the car. The official position of SEMA (the aftermarket trade association that Ford and Ford Racing are dominant members in) regarding consumer warranty rights and suggestions is located here:Sema.Org
#2 The Ford Racing Cold Air Intake IS WARRANTIED BY FORD. And ironically, it is only warrantied by Ford, no diagnosis needed, when the part is installed at the FORD DEALER. So, the dealers that refused to install the Ford Cold Air Intake, are idiots. They just threw away business. For more information regarding this special warranty relationship please see the Ford Racing Parts website: http://www.fordracingparts.com/warranty/FORD_RACING_LIMITED_WARRANTY_STATEMENT.pdf
The part you need would be an M-9603-XXX part depending on your model year but pretty much all 2005-2008 Ford Mustang Cold Air Kits are covered by a special warranty that is actually recorded into the Ford Service database upon installation by the Ford Dealer.
So why are you getting the run around by your dealer? Simple, most dealers are clueless when it comes to Ford Racing Parts. Another reason why dealers are hesitant to touch modified cars is that there is LESS PROFIT in it for them. What I mean is this. Unless the dealer you go to has a significant aftermarket parts system in place where they modify cars all the time for extra business, your dealer will choose to make money on the other side of the coin. Basically, a ford warranty claim pays about half as much as if you paid for the repair. Therefore, you can see their interest in scarying and bending the truth to unknowing customers. You have rights. Ford Racing has a special warranty agreement on their 2005-2008 Mustang parts. You can use any brand of parts if you want, it is just that the Ford Racing Parts become listed in the database file with your cars service records and Ford agrees to foot the bill for repairs resulting from the part being installed.
I remember when dealers would tell customer that oiled filters and open element air boxes voided the warranty. Well guess what, they come as standard equipment on the Shelby GT and the Bullitt. So, what now Mr. Service Manager? Ford Racing even includes a warranty on the 400HP whipple supercharger. Yeah, a supercharger. Hope I could help you and any other unsuspecting enthusiasts that have the same question.
#1 Here is the bottom line: They cannot void your warranty for anything until they have diagnosed the problem. This is per federal law (Magnusson Moss Warranty Act). So, if you change your own oil, use non-motorcraft parts, install a cold air intake, exhaust, suspension, wheels and tires, etc, they have to honor the warranty unless what you did caused the problem, which is determined AFTER diagnosis, not just seeing the parts on the car. The official position of SEMA (the aftermarket trade association that Ford and Ford Racing are dominant members in) regarding consumer warranty rights and suggestions is located here:Sema.Org
#2 The Ford Racing Cold Air Intake IS WARRANTIED BY FORD. And ironically, it is only warrantied by Ford, no diagnosis needed, when the part is installed at the FORD DEALER. So, the dealers that refused to install the Ford Cold Air Intake, are idiots. They just threw away business. For more information regarding this special warranty relationship please see the Ford Racing Parts website: http://www.fordracingparts.com/warranty/FORD_RACING_LIMITED_WARRANTY_STATEMENT.pdf
The part you need would be an M-9603-XXX part depending on your model year but pretty much all 2005-2008 Ford Mustang Cold Air Kits are covered by a special warranty that is actually recorded into the Ford Service database upon installation by the Ford Dealer.
So why are you getting the run around by your dealer? Simple, most dealers are clueless when it comes to Ford Racing Parts. Another reason why dealers are hesitant to touch modified cars is that there is LESS PROFIT in it for them. What I mean is this. Unless the dealer you go to has a significant aftermarket parts system in place where they modify cars all the time for extra business, your dealer will choose to make money on the other side of the coin. Basically, a ford warranty claim pays about half as much as if you paid for the repair. Therefore, you can see their interest in scarying and bending the truth to unknowing customers. You have rights. Ford Racing has a special warranty agreement on their 2005-2008 Mustang parts. You can use any brand of parts if you want, it is just that the Ford Racing Parts become listed in the database file with your cars service records and Ford agrees to foot the bill for repairs resulting from the part being installed.
I remember when dealers would tell customer that oiled filters and open element air boxes voided the warranty. Well guess what, they come as standard equipment on the Shelby GT and the Bullitt. So, what now Mr. Service Manager? Ford Racing even includes a warranty on the 400HP whipple supercharger. Yeah, a supercharger. Hope I could help you and any other unsuspecting enthusiasts that have the same question.
Wow, that was great. I really appreciate that answer.
Thanks.
TJ
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I have an award winning 2007 Ford Mustang named BOAZ.
I have a 2005 Toyota Prius named GENESIS.
One is good for the soul
One is good for the planet.
I feel like I got an offical answer on this question today. First, fordracing.com, ford customer service, my salesman, my service manager, and the parts manager at the dealership I bought my stang from all did not know. But finally someone put me in touch with someone who did know.
He said that anything put on the car that isnt stock would void the warranty if the problem was related. So I specifically asked "If my check engine light came on, you guys would blame the cai?" and he said "I'll be honest with you, if Ford can blame it on aftermarket, they will" He then went on to say that if something completely unrelated went wrong, like my power windows stopped working, my warranty would cover it.
I also asked him if it would make a difference if I had a dealership install the cai and he said no. I could have Henry Ford rise from the grave and install it, it still would void my warranty.
Another surprise, not all dealerships would install the cai, even though I bought it from fordracing.com. Well, at least mine wouldnt...and the dealership is in Kennesaw Ga., a suburb about 20 minutes north of Atlanta.
SO...you can buy a ford part from ford and have it installed by ford, it doesnt matter. Your warranty to the parts involed with the aftermarket part is void.
I have also heard that happen as well, so don't feel bad. But I have to think, that if Ford puts in a Ford part, they have to abide by the warranty.
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I have an award winning 2007 Ford Mustang named BOAZ.
I have a 2005 Toyota Prius named GENESIS.
One is good for the soul
One is good for the planet.
+1 on the warranty issue. If you keep all your stock intake parts, your XCAL or diablo tuner should be able to re-load stock tune and then you can re-install stock parts and Dealership will not be able to tell anything other than the PCM was re-flashed. therefore all still on warranty.
If you do take it in for warranty work and flashed it back to stock before hand, DO NOT re-load tune file when you get it back, until you verify Ford did not re-flash your code on the PCM without your knowledge, ( they do that) or you will lock up your car and none of the tune files you have will work and it wont start without a dealer re-flash and a towing bill....
I tried a K&N for a while (still have it, if anyone wants it) . on the stock tune, the K&N actually lost top end HP at WOT because of too much air...then I got a CAI and tune combo...never looked back.
What model is that K&N CAI You have cause I'm actually saving up for one? So you say it's no good at all. I don't want to spend $300+ for nothing and i def. don't want to mess with all that tuning stuff.
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2008 V6 winveil blue mustang named "Jackie". Current: Rocker "Mustang" logo in black, Pony package tri-bar fender ponies, Flowmaster American Thunder Muffler, JLT CAI w/ SCT SF3 tuner, Dynamite Stick sequential tail lights, and adding to her every month...
Do not mod the car until you're out of warranty. Do not drive the car at all. Do not put anything other than BP gas in the car (see your manual and your gas cap). Do not attach anything to the car. Do not SIT in your car.
So, let me ask, What did you buy the damn thing for? Just so you could bet that something serious will fail? I know it's a Ford, but come on now!
Mod that son of a bit*h a go have some fun. Quit being a wus about warranty. My dealer hasn't denied me a thing. All I do the few times I take it is is have them mark the service order "DO NOT REFLASH PCM" in big, bold letters.
Oh, and a drop in K&N will do nothing. On the GT, a stand-alone CAI is worth roughly 5-8 RWHP while a CAI & tune is worth roughly 15-25+ RWHP. Save the money from the K&N drop-in and get a combo from Brenspeed or Bama.
The relationship between Ford and FordRacing is complicated.
Officially speaking, (from what I can gather) they are NOT the same entity. Ford simply liscences the right to thier name and blue oval logo which is part of the FordRacing logo.
If you read the official warranty statement on the FordRacing site they now have a NEW disclaimer that states quite clearly :
Ford Racing parts are considered AFTERMARKET. They are NOT Genuine Ford parts.
most of them are NOT warrantied except for a few exceptions... one being the CAI/dual exhaust set up.
but here's the fun part,
Only when you have the CAI and Duals installed by a Ford dealer, before delivery/pickup of your NEW MUstang, do you get a
3yr/36kmi warranty.... If you put it on after buying the car you only get one year.
And I'm pretty sure that Ford can still blame loads of problems on it.
My old drummer who worked in the auto warranty business for almost 20 years said that the FIRST thing they look for is aftermarket parts to try to connect it to warranty claims.
My Ford dealer is the biggest in the Midwest...they are ALL clueless when it comes to Ford Racing Parts and warranty issues.
In fact the parts manager initially told me he couldn't even sell me Ford Racing parts!! (but we did work that out).
nuke is right however.....
What are you gonna do? These are the first mustangs to be desinged with the aftermarket companies in mind. Why did you buy a Mustang anyway?? If you can't have fun and enjoy your car then what the hell is the point of having it?? Trade it in for a focus.
2007 Mustang... Will a CAI void my warranty? 
