Well...at NAIAS we will as well see the Camaro concept...
I believe that having more products (Mustang-Challenger-Camaro) in the market of retro-looking cars can only be good: more choices for potential buyers.
I personally think that Dodge has done a great job with this Challenger: she looks very similar to the original inside & outside, with a few changes to make it a modern(ish) car filled with 21st century tech.
Oh and by the way, this is not a thread comparing the Mustang to the Challenger (can you guys relax ? No one is attacking the Mustang ! Geez.), it's just to show what (hopefully) will be soon coming out from DCX...
I love my Mustang but being a fan of old Mopar's, I can only say that this Challenger looks mighty fine, IMHO.
Now, I understand no one's ATTACKING Mustang's, I just disagree with you.
When I roll in Jess no one accidentally thinks I'm driving a car from 1974. If that car comes out exactly as depicted they will. Its TOO close to the original. In that sense, you could say they "ripped off" Ford. I'm not, but you could.
Dodge Engineer #1:"Hey, that Mustang's selling like mad. Let's take a look at some of our retro designs and see what we can do to gain inspiration from them."
Dodge Engineer #2:"Screw that. Let's just tweak the old designs enough to physically fit modern components inside, put a HUGE engine in to appease the muscle car guys, and go play golf."
Dodge Engineer #1:"Sounds good."
And thus the Challenger was born.
Now I'm not saying that's what happened, but it looks that way to me. That's my opinion. We all have them.
As far as your second post comparing vans and burritos, do I really need to explain how...um..."illogical" your thought process was? One bad burrito means all burritos are bad? C'mon, man. A high school debate club member could blow a hole in your little analogy. No, that doesn't mean all burritos are bad, just like it doesn't mean all vans are bad, but I tell you one thing, I personally would continue to eat burritos as I always have, but I would damn sure never buy another one from the place that made THAT burrito. Would you? Did you? Because if you did it might explain why you didn't understand his feelings on Dodge products.
Rip off the Mustang?? The only rip off is that it's also a retro look. Other than that it looks just like a 1970 Challenger. Almost exactly.
I agree! Looks like a 70 Challenger, not a Mustang. Its Sweet & Low lookin. I like it
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I thought I heard the new Hemi engines have little to nothing for aftermarket upgrades. I'm a big Mopar guy myself but it would stink if you didn't have fun stuff to add to it. The Mustang certainly doesn't have that problem.
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I say to Dodge : "Bring It!". They will not be able to compete onthe bangr for the buck of the new Mustang. If they time things right, the Mustang will be starting to slack in sales, and the Ford guys will be kept on their toes if the Challenger comes out. Maybe we'll get a 5.4 Mach 1. Or even a suped 4.6. Ford should go fully old school when you could get a Mustang with a whole variety of engines. A line up giving us choices like the 5.4, supercharged 4.6, 4 valve engines, etc. would really heat up a new era muscle car war. I had planned on keping my 06 forever, but if in a few years a 5.4 Mach 1 debuts, I would be tempted to trade up.
This might be a good thing.I love all the old muscle pony cars.This could make things real interesting in Grand AM racing,Trans AM and the drag strip. Its a way to see different cars on the road and see the rivalries start back up again. I figure this 06' MustangGT I have will be my last muscle car due to health problems so I'm gonna ride it out and keep what I have. I say bring on the retro cars and lets enjoy this new age of motor sports. One thing I did forget to mention is that the new Challenger could turn a few ricers back to an all American hot rod.
As far as your second post comparing vans and burritos, do I really need to explain how...um..."illogical" your thought process was? One bad burrito means all burritos are bad? C'mon, man. A high school debate club member could blow a hole in your little analogy. No, that doesn't mean all burritos are bad, just like it doesn't mean all vans are bad, but I tell you one thing, I personally would continue to eat burritos as I always have, but I would damn sure never buy another one from the place that made THAT burrito. Would you? Did you? Because if you did it might explain why you didn't understand his feelings on Dodge products.
Thanks for playing.
Now perhaps I needed to say it straight out for those that are a bit hard in understanding: the "burrito/van comparison" thingy was purely on the sarcastic side...If you didn't get it, I am just telling you now...
The "burrito incident" actually never happened (if that would have really happened, say at Taco Bell, I would have probably gotten another one again, from another Taco Bell (see the only true bit of real analogy here ? Mass production burritos...you still may have a bad one...like mass produced cars...you can have a bad one...that doesn't mean the rest is crap...). But that's beyond the point anyway, because I just intended it to be sarcastic and ludicrous) ...again, let me repeat it, it was pure sarcasm, hope you understood now that I said it several times...
I totally understood his feelings...I don't for sure need you to explain anything to me...again let me say it in more plain and comprehensible words: if a vehicle has a bad issue, that does not mean that the entire production of that car maker completely sucks. Even the best car makers sometimes sell cars that have bad defects, it's just happens because it's mass production: you can try to have a quality control at its best, but in any case the possibility that something might go wrong for one vehicle is absolutely high (just make a poll on this website asking how many 05 Mustang owners never had problems...I don't think you will find that many that never had any issue with their beloved pony...).
And finally even if the entire production of Dodge vehicles in 1995 would have been pure and total crap, which I don't believe it to be the case obviously, it's now 2005: 10 years have passed and many things could have changed in the mean time (someone missed the fact that Chrysler/Dodge merged with Daimler ? Is Daimler enough of a quality partner would you say ? Do you think stuff has improved at Chrysler/Dodge ? I personally think so...).
Example: Alfa Romeo's were quite crappy in general back in the 70s till the mid/late 80s, now their quality easily rivals BMW and Mercedes...
So, to write off an entire brand because of a personal experience with ONE of their products, seems to me a very moronic attitude.
Again, my honest opinion, now shoot me if you want, ok ?
Are you happy now, wise guy ?
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So, to write off an entire brand because of a personal experience with ONE of their products, seems to me a very moronic attitude.
Again, my honest opinion, now shoot me if you want, ok ?
Are you happy now, wise guy ?
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Ok, in reference to that new Charger, I personally don't like the looks of it, but that's only because I never did like the looks of the original Chargers. In terms of exterior appeal, I don't know of any other cars, that is on the market right now, that is as good looking as the 05 and 06 mustangs. The Ford GT is definately good looking, but most of us middle class shmucks, we can't afford that thing. But if that car is going to have the 6.1 hemi in it, than we might be in trouble. I don't know about you guys, but every time I bring out my mustang, some rice rocket, or some some non-performace car wants to race me (even older Mustangs!). I get the impression that our cars have pissed off everybody else, that doesn't have one of our cars, and they all want to try their best at making our cars look bad. If that Charger pulls up beside me and starts reving his engine, I'm going to think twice about popping the clutch on him . Still though, isn't it ironic that the new mustang has spurrred the rest of the auto industry to try and catch up with the sales the mustang, by producing high performance cars that emulate some muslce car of the same era?
Ok, in reference to that new Charger, I personally don't like the looks of it, but that's only because I never did like the looks of the original Chargers.
You mean the Challenger I assume, not Charger.
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Still though, isn't it ironic that the new mustang has spurrred the rest of the auto industry to try and catch up with the sales the mustang, by producing high performance cars that emulate some muslce car of the same era?
Really the Mustang wasn't the first car in this retro trend. PT Cruiser, Chevy SSR, etc. have an old car retro look and were out before. The Mustang is the most extreme though I'd say.
Now perhaps I needed to say it straight out for those that are a bit hard in understanding: the "burrito/van comparison" thingy was purely on the sarcastic side...If you didn't get it, I am just telling you now...
The "burrito incident" actually never happened (if that would have really happened, say at Taco Bell, I would have probably gotten another one again, from another Taco Bell (see the only true bit of real analogy here ? Mass production burritos...you still may have a bad one...like mass produced cars...you can have a bad one...that doesn't mean the rest is crap...). But that's beyond the point anyway, because I just intended it to be sarcastic and ludicrous) ...again, let me repeat it, it was pure sarcasm, hope you understood now that I said it several times...
I totally understood his feelings...I don't for sure need you to explain anything to me...again let me say it in more plain and comprehensible words: if a vehicle has a bad issue, that does not mean that the entire production of that car maker completely sucks. Even the best car makers sometimes sell cars that have bad defects, it's just happens because it's mass production: you can try to have a quality control at its best, but in any case the possibility that something might go wrong for one vehicle is absolutely high (just make a poll on this website asking how many 05 Mustang owners never had problems...I don't think you will find that many that never had any issue with their beloved pony...).
And finally even if the entire production of Dodge vehicles in 1995 would have been pure and total crap, which I don't believe it to be the case obviously, it's now 2005: 10 years have passed and many things could have changed in the mean time (someone missed the fact that Chrysler/Dodge merged with Daimler ? Is Daimler enough of a quality partner would you say ? Do you think stuff has improved at Chrysler/Dodge ? I personally think so...).
Example: Alfa Romeo's were quite crappy in general back in the 70s till the mid/late 80s, now their quality easily rivals BMW and Mercedes...
So, to write off an entire brand because of a personal experience with ONE of their products, seems to me a very moronic attitude.
Again, my honest opinion, now shoot me if you want, ok ?
Are you happy now, wise guy ?
It certainly COULD mean that. Are you honestly so dense as to not see that? That's fine. I guess maybe I came off as a tad more sardonic than I meant to, since I obviously touched such a nerve in you.
Sorry pal, didn't mean to. You've got your opinions, I've got mine. That's the beauty of America.
Course I don't have to make up stories about burritos to express mine, but hey! To each his own.
Really the Mustang wasn't the first car in this retro trend. PT Cruiser, Chevy SSR, etc. have an old car retro look and were out before. The Mustang is the most extreme though I'd say.
An excellent point. Hadn't thought of that. You could argue that the "retro" trend has also been seen in the Chrysler 300, the Plymouth Prowler, and many other vehicles. It really doesn't surprise me. Most things from the eras these cars inspirations came from had an elegance of design that I think America is missing nowadays.
Uh huh. 
. Still though, isn't it ironic that the new mustang has spurrred the rest of the auto industry to try and catch up with the sales the mustang, by producing high performance cars that emulate some muslce car of the same era?
