I've run both the Race and Torque tunes from Bama. Is it me or is the Torque tune a bit 'tame' vs the Race tune?
It seems a bit 'delayed' when I stomp on it (compared to the Race tune anyway).
Secondly, is the race tune 'richer' than stock? I'm only getting 14.3mpg compared to 17+ with the stock tune.
Can I run the Race tune all the time or is it bad for the motor?
1. Not familiar with these tunes but do a search, know they have been talked about allot on here.
2. It may be richer to protect your motor at high timing. But also that timing will let air/fuel through quicker hence burn more.
You most be driving HARD (or small streets/city) with that burn? I'm getting close to 18 MPG at over 600 HP!! Grant it it's ~60% highway for me...
3. I'm sure he would not let out a tune that's bad for the motor. Someone said though that the A/F is close to 15:1 with the Bama race tune and that is borderline lean. And I would not like to drive around borderline lean day after day... that may be bad...
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I've run both the Race and Torque tunes from Bama. Is it me or is the Torque tune a bit 'tame' vs the Race tune?
It seems a bit 'delayed' when I stomp on it (compared to the Race tune anyway).
Secondly, is the race tune 'richer' than stock? I'm only getting 14.3mpg compared to 17+ with the stock tune.
Can I run the Race tune all the time or is it bad for the motor?
I have both of these tunes from BamaChips, along with a couple of others, and have run them each a fair bit. You'd be correct that the Torque tune (and the Performance tune, for that matter) is a bit tamer compared to the Race tune. That's essentially what Doug says right on his Web site. The difference seems to be in the throttle response, and Race fairly jumps off the line, which to me makes it a bit twitchy for daily driving. Hence the name "Race", I suppose That, plus the Torque tune seems to me to be fatter in the mid-range, whereas Performance and Race seem fat nearer the redline.
My understanding is that the Race tune is essentially the Performance tune, with whatever buffering might exist for throttle position removed (my words, not Doug's, so perhaps not technically accurate). He does specifically state that neither the fuel nor spark curves are modified further. So, it shouldn't be running richer, and whatever mileage impact you're seeing are probably only related to your driving habits.
If you're frequently testing out the "throttle response" between tunes, I could easily see that negatively impacting your mileage. In truth, I haven't noticed a decreasing trend in my mileage, on my bolt-on only motor with any of Doug's tunes.
I think you could run the Race tune all the time, if you like, as long as you can accomodate for the hair trigger on the throttle. Otherwise, I don't think it'll operate any differently than the Performance tune. My personal preference is to run the Torque tune most of the time, since that fits my typical commute driving style better.
I've run both the Race and Torque tunes from Bama. Is it me or is the Torque tune a bit 'tame' vs the Race tune?
It seems a bit 'delayed' when I stomp on it (compared to the Race tune anyway).
Secondly, is the race tune 'richer' than stock? I'm only getting 14.3mpg compared to 17+ with the stock tune.
Can I run the Race tune all the time or is it bad for the motor?
I don't think the A/F is significantly different between the performance/race/torque tunes. They do have a tendancy to run a bit rich (as confirmed by my recent dyno tune) but this is by design (for safety). You can run any of those tunes for an extended period without any problem. As for your mileage--no anwers for you there. I'm over 22 with 4.10s.
I'm not sure what is causing the poor gas mileage. I don't really stomp on it a ton. Maybe I'm more lead-footed than I think. I've yet to get over 17mph in the 1400 miles I've put on the car(it now has 6k total). Oh well....I didn't buy the car for good gas mileage anyway.
I'm not sure what is causing the poor gas mileage. I don't really stomp on it a ton. Maybe I'm more lead-footed than I think. I've yet to get over 17mph in the 1400 miles I've put on the car(it now has 6k total). Oh well....I didn't buy the car for good gas mileage anyway.
I've run both the Race and Torque tunes from Bama. Is it me or is the Torque tune a bit 'tame' vs the Race tune?
It seems a bit 'delayed' when I stomp on it (compared to the Race tune anyway).
Secondly, is the race tune 'richer' than stock? I'm only getting 14.3mpg compared to 17+ with the stock tune.
Can I run the Race tune all the time or is it bad for the motor?
I ran the 93 Octane Torque Tune from Doug and it was not exactly what I was looking for. So I installed the 93 Octane Race Tune and couldnt be happier. The tune is a no nonsense balls to the wall tune.
Absolutely no hesitation. You push down on the gas pedal and the car takes off like a bat otta hell. Takes a little getting use too.
Now that what I'm talk'in about.
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I ran the 93 Octane Torque Tune from Doug and it was not exactly what I was looking for. So I installed the 93 Octane Race Tune and couldnt be happier. The tune is a no nonsense balls to the wall tune.
Absolutely no hesitation. You push down on the gas pedal and the car takes off like a bat otta hell. Takes a little getting use too.
Now that what I'm talk'in about.
Race tune was good but I actually prefered the performance tune. It didn't suffer from the cold start high idle. Started her up and almost immediately to 750 rpms.
Since I recently switched from tq to perf, I've just noticed that. (longer high RPM start on tq compared to perf)
Anyone know why that is?
I will contribute this anomoly:
I had the high start idle UNTIL I added 6% in my fuel tables. (My wideband showed lean). I now have about an 800 rpm start and a 735 idle. No flare up start. That is all I modified in my tune. (I have the PRP)
Since I recently switched from tq to perf, I've just noticed that. (longer high RPM start on tq compared to perf)
Anyone know why that is?
This is simply the cold start idle speed. It is an adjustable parameter based on coolant temperature. The purpose is to prevent stalling when the engine is cold. I'm not sure why Doug would have changed it but I noticed the same thing. My old Bama perf tune doesn't have it but my new Race tune does. It can be set for any rpm at any coolant temp by the (human) tuner. It is not adjustable with the handheld tuner.
This is simply the cold start idle speed. It is an adjustable parameter based on coolant temperature. The purpose is to prevent stalling when the engine is cold. I'm not sure why Doug would have changed it but I noticed the same thing. My old Bama perf tune doesn't have it but my new Race tune does. It can be set for any rpm at any coolant temp by the (human) tuner. It is not adjustable with the handheld tuner.
I was told that it was a simple dashpot adjustment that a lot of tuners ignore.
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That, plus the Torque tune seems to me to be fatter in the mid-range, whereas Performance and Race seem fat nearer the redline.
