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Procharger vs. Supercharger vs Turbocharger

Everyone has an opinion on which to use on what. I know all about turbos, the last car I had was a Jetta and I boosted the hell out of it. But I'm not sure what the differences are of the supercharger and prochargers. What are the pros and cons of each? And most importantly which would be best for the 5.0.

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procharger is a brand of supercharger lol

but there is a difference between them and other supercharger brands, for one all systems come with an intercooler setup where as other supercharger brands just come with supercharger and other supporting mods. i belive the procharger name holds the fastest 2011 5.0 mustang for now it runs some where in the 9's

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ProCharger IS a Centri Blower like a Vortech!
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Here's all you need and links to further enhancements if you want to dig deeper.

Supercharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SC'ing si what got me going deeper.. .whichever type you choose, I suggest doing it. Once you have that feeling you won't go back.

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Here's all you need and links to further enhancements if you want to dig deeper.

Supercharger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

SC'ing si what got me going deeper.. .whichever type you choose, I suggest doing it. Once you have that feeling you won't go back.
So what your saying is Turbochargers are better than Superchargers.. Discuss. Haha :p
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Everyone has opinions about this subject. Mine follows. For street applications, turbos and positive displacement superchargers are the best.
A centrifugal supercharger for the street suffers worse lag than a turbo system. Typical street turbo systems can make max boost at 4k and up, while centrifugal SCs need over 5k to make their max boost.
Positive displacement SCs can make their max boost at a much lower RPM and hold it up to redline. Twin-screw designs tend to be much more efficient than roots style, especially when boosting to higher levels. A twin-screw can give you the benefits of quicker max boost and boosting to higher levels.
I personally prefer turbo systems. However, a turbo system is much more complex in plumbing, operation and tuning. Proper sizing is key, allowing you to balance the power capability of the turbo and spool time. Larger turbos can make more power efficiently, but require more energy and time to spool, increasing lag. Also, tuning the wastegate is key to making quick, consistent power. Turbos also have the advantage of "free" HP. All the power made from a turbo comes from waste heat and kinetic energy in the exhaust. If you didn't use it to drive a turbo, it'd just flow out the tailpipe. SCs require power from the crankshaft to run, and can rob 30-50 HP from the wheels. If a SC system and turbo system had the same efficiency and boost levels, a turbo system would outpower a SC system by the level required to drive the SC.

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If centri. SC's take so long to get up to max boost just change out the pulley and it can get the boost lower in the RPM band, but yes the part about the using hp to power the thing sucks big time i guess thats why they are usually cheaper lol

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well if this helps. the 2011 5.0 made 607rwhp with a procharger at 7.5psi. the rest of the car was stock besides an offroad mid pipe.

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My experience with both, from an industrial point we use turbochargers more then supercharges. Max RPMs on our 16 cylinder natural gas compressors is around 1200 while the turbo is spinning at over 35000.
The main issue with a turbo is pre and after lubrication… we have electric pumps doing the pre and after lube on the turbo.
A turbo will spin down after the engine has stopped running; if not lubricated will cause bearing wear. And this was a major issue when a turbocharger was introduced in the automotive industry, the new design is based of off the giraffe, like the giraffe’s brain has a bladder to store blood, some of the new turbochargers have a bladder to store oil for lubrication after engine stop, supercharger/procharger stops rotating when the engine stops.
For automobiles this is where the supercharger works best… Boost can be adjusted on all three thru the waste gate.
Turbochargers,
Centifical pump, the faster it turns the more pressure it will build to a point of slippage past the pump vains. Very high RPM over 30000
Supercharger is gear pump, gears coming together trapping air and forcing it past the gears building pressure. A gear pump will pump air to the braking point of the pump. That is why superchargers have relief valves… high RPM over 15000
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If centri. SC's take so long to get up to max boost just change out the pulley and it can get the boost lower in the RPM band, but yes the part about the using hp to power the thing sucks big time i guess thats why they are usually cheaper lol
You can do this to build boost at low RPM, but without a wastegate type recirculation device to limit boost, you'll overboost your application at high RPM.

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well if this helps. the 2011 5.0 made 607rwhp with a procharger at 7.5psi. the rest of the car was stock besides an offroad mid pipe.
Nobody argues peak power that a centrifugal can put out. But for a street car, they really lack any kind of low-end boost. Some people feel they pull harder up top, but it usually is more pronounced on a centrifugal because of their lack of low-end power.

Centrifugals are great for the track, where you are always in the upper end of the power band, but tend to be not-so-great for the street, especially if you're looking for more of a big-block feel. Of course, this is all my opinion, take it for what it's worth.

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I did a Turbo on my last car and would not do it again, you need to change way too much. I would do a SC, they are easier, require less maintaince have way less heat. It will also break less. Turbos are faster but you will be giving up reliablity

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Turbo or super chargers are like wheels, rear wings, hood scoops, and paint, they are all an opinion.
Turbos and super chargers do the same thing, unless you are full out drag racer, you wont notice the difference. As far as reliability goes, turbos have been used on 18 wheelers for a very long time and if they were not reliable do you thing that Mack would continue putting them on their trucks?
In the end it's up to you. My opinion, superchargers look cool and so I would pick them (as I have).
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