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I took my Mustang in to the dealer for an oil change and tire rotation. Due to a couple unique wear patterns, I could tell the R front and R rear tires apart. When I got the car back, the tires were swapped front to rear both sides, but not side to side. The owners manual says to move the rears to the front, and move the fronts to the rear swapping sides.

I called the service rep out on this and he said that is the way they always do it, moreover in his 8 years of experience at different dealerships that is how it is always done. I asked why this is when the owners manual clearly recommends swapping side to side? He said he doesn't know because he hasn't read the manual!

Does this sound screwed up to anyone else? Anytime I've read anything about tire rotation, it included side to side (not including unidirectional tires). Am I missing something?

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That's what they do at my dealership too. I think the important part is front to back, or at least that is how I rationalize the laziness of the techs... Lol.

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better then walmart, my mom took her trailblazer in their and ask for a tire rotation, and the guy was like "Just one tire" and shes like how do you do just 1 tire rotation, and he said "2 tires then?" and she walked out lol.

It don't take a genius to work at these places.
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If your tires are directional you can only go from back to front

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Over the years, I have seen tire rotation recommendations go from cross rotating to front to back, and back to cross rotating. Many techs had cars come back with pulling issues after crossing tires, so they just went front to back to avoid the chances of pulling. It takes no more effort to rotate either way, but putting a car back on the hoist and switching tires right to left does take time(time=$$).

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Tire rotation at my dealer:
  • 20 minute drive one way;
  • 5 minutes at the service counter;
  • 60 minutes (minimum) waiting;
  • 5 minutes paying/ retrieving keys and car;
  • 20 minutes drive back home;
Total time 110 minutes, almost 2 hours.

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  • 5 minutes find, then change into work clothes;
  • 5 minutes position car in garage for best access, set-up wrench and loosen lugs;
  • 5 minutes jack up car in rear, set two jack stands, move jack to front and lift;
  • 15 minutes remove wheels, inspect and rotate, remount;
  • 5 minutes lower front, jack up rear, remove jack stands, lower car;
  • 10 minutes torque lugs, check air pressure, clean and put tools away, move car back;
  • 5 minutes wash hands and change clothes.
Total time 50 minutes.

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If you have an appointment at Discount Tire they'll get you in ASAP and probably get you done in 45 minutes. In most cases it's free too.

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Add in travel time and it's still more than DIY. Plus it's done right. When was the last time you saw a tire mechanic hand-torque a lug nut? They just use an impact wrench, which is discouraged or out-right prohibited by aluminum wheel manufacturers.

I attended a performance driving school years ago, and all students used their own cars. Before they put you on the track they inspect your car including proper lug nut torque. Out of 25 students my car was the only one with the correct torque on all 20. Most were loose and the remainder were severely over-tightened.

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If your tires are directional you can only go from back to front
I worked at a Ford dealer from 1970 to 1984 and during that time radial tires were just becoming popular in this country and I remember being told not to change the rotation of radial tires, supposedly due to problems it could cause with the belts and they were not directional tires. I do not know where this information came from but we did not rotate radial tires side to side because of it.

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I took my Mustang in to the dealer for an oil change and tire rotation. Due to a couple unique wear patterns, I could tell the R front and R rear tires apart. When I got the car back, the tires were swapped front to rear both sides, but not side to side. The owners manual says to move the rears to the front, and move the fronts to the rear swapping sides.
Hi jon7190,

You are correct. As shown on page 177 in your Owner Guide, they should be rotated as recommended, backs straight to the front, and cross the fronts to the rear. Only time this would not work is if they have different size tires front and rear. Stock wheels and tires are the same size for all 4. This is how all dealers should rotate them on your Mustang.


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As some others pointed out above, are they directional?
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I took my Mustang in to the dealer for an oil change and tire rotation. Due to a couple unique wear patterns, I could tell the R front and R rear tires apart. When I got the car back, the tires were swapped front to rear both sides, but not side to side. The owners manual says to move the rears to the front, and move the fronts to the rear swapping sides.

I called the service rep out on this and he said that is the way they always do it, moreover in his 8 years of experience at different dealerships that is how it is always done. I asked why this is when the owners manual clearly recommends swapping side to side? He said he doesn't know because he hasn't read the manual!

Does this sound screwed up to anyone else? Anytime I've read anything about tire rotation, it included side to side (not including unidirectional tires). Am I missing something?
The front to back method is accepted for ALL tires that are the same size on front and back. However for tires that are non-directional it is not the optimal solution, which would be the method you stated from the owners manual. I would suspect that the dealer has trained its tech this way so they would never do the incorrect method of changing sides on tires that are directional. This keeps the thought process out of the techs job, which seems to be a growing trend at all levels in american industry.

So technically your dealer did not do anything wrong, although they did not do the best job possible.

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As some others pointed out above, are they directional?
I think the Pzero Nero's are asymmetrical but not directional like the Pzero's on a Brembo car.
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I don't know, changing the direction of the tire just sounds like a bad idea to me.

I don't have my manual with me, when does it recommend you get the tires rotated?

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