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Unread 08-15-2012   #16 (permalink)
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For anyone that requires clarification regarding what an "Event Data Recorder" is (hint...it's a black box):

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I'll bet the real purpose of the black box is to keep Ford from being sued, in the event of injury or death resulting from a crash.
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Can our insurance ever be denied if the black box indicates the car was speeding at the time of an accident? I guess if our cars have a black box I would like to know the legal ramifications of having it and or disabling it. If there is a GPS in the car, it could be used to log speed and position and result in a ticket. I don’t think this has happened yet because I have never heard of it happening and it if did, I sure we would all hear about it.
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Can our insurance ever be denied if the black box indicates the car was speeding at the time of an accident? I guess if our cars have a black box I would like to know the legal ramifications of having it and or disabling it. If there is a GPS in the car, it could be used to log speed and position and result in a ticket. I don’t think this has happened yet because I have never heard of it happening and it if did, I sure we would all hear about it.
I think that's why there's the section in the manual about how law enforcement would need to work with Ford in order to be able to read the data from the EDR (unless that branch of law enforcement already owns the means to read EDR data). It DOES say, however, that they will give law enforcement that ability if served with a court order. I would imagine that insurance could deny a claim if EDR data was used as part of the police report.

Luckily Ford claims they won't use GPS location to track your speed unless it resulted in a crash/near-crash situation...but just like many safety measures, feels a little like big brother watching. It doesn't mean they WILL use it to screw people, but they can.
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Are you sure about that? From the sounds of the Owner's Manual, activation of any portion of the Supplemental Restraint System, be it the airbags, seatbelt pretensioners, rollover detectors, traction control, or Advancetrac, causes the Event Data Recorder (what I will refer to as the black box) to record the near-crash or actual crash circumstances.
Absolutely. Everything you have found is describing the SRS control unit which has been doing all of the event recording for about 15 years. This is nothing new. Crash data has been recorded and used for dozens of things from the Toyota 'unintended acceleration' to SUV rollover cases.

Note this is only for crash data, there is nothing to get worked up over.
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... and how many times you change lanes without signaling.
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I guess if our cars have a black box I would like to know the legal ramifications of having it and or disabling it. If there is a GPS in the car, it could be used to log speed and position and result in a ticket.
If you disable it you will lose your airbags and ETR(emergency tensioning retractors) seatbelts. The vehicle speed is measured through the wheelspeed sensors given from the traction control system and does not require GPS.



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Luckily Ford claims they won't use GPS location to track your speed unless it resulted in a crash/near-crash situation...but just like many safety measures, feels a little like big brother watching. It doesn't mean they WILL use it to screw people, but they can.
Again, GPS is not required to measure wheelspeed as the onboard wheelspeed sensors do that already.
 
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Again, GPS is not required to measure wheelspeed as the onboard wheelspeed sensors do that already.
Oh, I know. From time to time I find myself looking at the speedometer
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There have already been cases of prosecution based on data retrieved from "black boxes". One in particular involved the death of a passenger in a vehicle which was involved in an accident on icy roads. On face value, anyone could have had an accident on icy roads, but data retrieved from the box indicated that the driver was exceeding the posted speed limit, on icy roads. IIRC, the charge was for vehicular manslaughter. Rest assured, this info will be used for legal purposes in the event of accidents where there appears to be extenuating circumstances.
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There have already been cases of prosecution based on data retrieved from "black boxes". One in particular involved the death of a passenger in a vehicle which was involved in an accident on icy roads. On face value, anyone could have had an accident on icy roads, but data retrieved from the box indicated that the driver was exceeding the posted speed limit, on icy roads. IIRC, the charge was for vehicular manslaughter. Rest assured, this info will be used for legal purposes in the event of accidents where there appears to be extenuating circumstances.

100% correct.

So what we have learned here, unless you are in an accident with questionable causes there is nothing recorded in the vehicle that should give you any reason to worry. It can't be read by dealer technicians(I can't read anything related to this on the Mercedes I work on) and has no affect on warranty service or repair.
 
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Just cover your roof with aluminum foil, it blocks their signal...
LOL -- nice! I might have to do that once, just to be funny (and take a photo)...

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I just purchased a black box recorder to record video events in 1080p.It records your GPS position and speed along with video you see out your front/rear windows. Too many people intentionally backing up into cars around here and then blackmailing for money.
Link please? I was just about ready to mount my 1080P, 30 frames/second, GoPro in my car -- but I'm not happy about starting and stopping the camera all the time... If there is a better option on the market, I'd love to have it -- ESPECIALLY if it has two cameras (one in the front, and one in the back).
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Link please? I was just about ready to mount my 1080P, 30 frames/second, GoPro in my car -- but I'm not happy about starting and stopping the camera all the time... If there is a better option on the market, I'd love to have it -- ESPECIALLY if it has two cameras (one in the front, and one in the back).
Doing 1080P @ 30 fps will fill your memory card damn quick, thankfully the GoPro has a time-lapse feature that can be effective for long term use.
 
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In most cases, law enforcement will not be too interested in black box data unless absolutely necessary. The process to obtain a warrant, and then decode the data, place the data into context, and then take that information into a trial is not as practical as several witnesses saying the driver was driving stupid and caused the crash. The black box is mainly useful in accidents where there are no other reliable witnesses, or doubt about specifics.
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Doing 1080P @ 30 fps will fill your memory card damn quick, thankfully the GoPro has a time-lapse feature that can be effective for long term use.
4 hours and 21 minutes to fill the SD memory card.

And the GoPro camera has an option to LOOP when the memory gets full (just like the cockpit voice recorders on the airlines). So, in effect, the memory will never run out, and I will always have 4 hours to stop the camera and retrieve the video before it gets overwritten...
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LOL -- nice! I might have to do that once, just to be funny (and take a photo)...
If you do it, be sure to use the heavy weight stuff, the regular grade will allow some signal bleed thru...
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That's ridiculous... the foil has to cover the black box, not the roof.
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You guys really got me thinking, and so I did some internet research for high definition dash cams. I found this one, and think it's the best choice on the market so far:

THE VIDEO DASH CAM STORE - Buy VC-127HD Now

It is 1080p High Definition, GPS (shows speed, direction, and Google Maps location), shock sensor (in 3-axis), etcetera -- and the price isn't bad either.

If I could only find their source for these -- they're obviously made in China (based on the "English as a second language" used in their operating manual). We could probably buy these in groups of 10 and get them much less expensively.

I've checked out Alibaba, but I can't find this exact one. Can anyone else help locate the source?
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