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Default Driveline Issues on F150 Lead to Lawsuit

Found this story today. The problem is being attributed to the Ecoboost engine, but I'm wondering if it isn't related to the same cause and effect that we experience with the 3.7. It will be interesting to see how it turns out.
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The driveline vibration we feel is related to the dual-mass flywheel. The vibration can be removed if you change your flywheel out for a single-mass flywheel. However, the DM flywheel is there for a reason - you'll trade the vibration for a lot more noise in other rev ranges. Mostly lower revs.
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Look at any car, and you will find someone who will file a lawsuite and a lawyer willing to sue the manufacturer. Money hungry idiots are like dog whistles for lawyers.
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The driveline vibration we feel is related to the dual-mass flywheel. The vibration can be removed if you change your flywheel out for a single-mass flywheel. However, the DM flywheel is there for a reason - you'll trade the vibration for a lot more noise in other rev ranges. Mostly lower revs.
if this was true...why does the auto v6 have the same problem?
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if this was true...why does the auto v6 have the same problem?
We're talking about two different driveline vibrations, then. Anyone that has a manual knows exactly which one I'm referring to, as it is a characteristic of all MT85 V6 Mustangs that still have a dual mass flywheel.
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Oops. Clearly I must have been very tired. That should be MT82 not MT85.
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We're talking about two different driveline vibrations, then. Anyone that has a manual knows exactly which one I'm referring to, as it is a characteristic of all MT85 V6 Mustangs that still have a dual mass flywheel.
Did some of the V6 manuals come without the dual mass flywheel?
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We're talking about two different driveline vibrations, then. Anyone that has a manual knows exactly which one I'm referring to, as it is a characteristic of all MT85 V6 Mustangs that still have a dual mass flywheel.
Got you... Just seems like this car no matter the trans type has all sorts of vibrations problems.
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Did some of the V6 manuals come without the dual mass flywheel?
Nope. But some people have changed out the flywheel when working on/replacing the clutch and pressure plate.
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My 2010 F150 supercrew has issues when coming to a stop as well. This was before the ecoboost was even released. This has been a known about issue on the supercrew F150's for a while. The fix from Ford is temporary at best. I believe they added extra grease somewhere. Felt great for about 100miles....

I've learned to nearly come to a stop, down to around 2-5mph, let up and then come to a complete stop.

Such a pain because the truck is otherwise amazing. I wish Ford would recognize the issue and FIX it properly. Piss poor excuses have been given for an ongoing problem on a $35K (and up) vehicle.
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Look at any car, and you will find someone who will file a lawsuite and a lawyer willing to sue the manufacturer. Money hungry idiots are like dog whistles for lawyers.
its not about finding a lawyer willing to sue. that's their job. to take your claim, and represent you in court. its not the lawyer's claim, its the clients. the lawyer could likely give a crap ABOUT your claim personally.

saying a lawyer should discern if your claim is valid or not is wrong. that's what a judge and court are for. the court decides if your claim is valid. All the lawyer does is decide if there is a good faith basis to believe that the court could agree with you.

thinking the lawyer should be responsible is like going to the barber and expecting him to refuse cutting your hair because its "good enough" in his opinion.
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its not about finding a lawyer willing to sue. that's their job. to take your claim, and represent you in court. its not the lawyer's claim, its the clients. the lawyer could likely give a crap ABOUT your claim personally.

saying a lawyer should discern if your claim is valid or not is wrong. that's what a judge and court are for. the court decides if your claim is valid. All the lawyer does is decide if there is a good faith basis to believe that the court could agree with you.

thinking the lawyer should be responsible is like going to the barber and expecting him to refuse cutting your hair because its "good enough" in his opinion.
You definitely misunderstood what he was saying; most of what you're said here has absolutely no basis or implied origin in what Seadog said.

Driveline vibration is being used as a basis for a lawsuit these days; Christ, some people's kids.
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its not about finding a lawyer willing to sue. that's their job. to take your claim, and represent you in court. its not the lawyer's claim, its the clients. the lawyer could likely give a crap ABOUT your claim personally.

saying a lawyer should discern if your claim is valid or not is wrong. that's what a judge and court are for. the court decides if your claim is valid. All the lawyer does is decide if there is a good faith basis to believe that the court could agree with you.

thinking the lawyer should be responsible is like going to the barber and expecting him to refuse cutting your hair because its "good enough" in his opinion.
After all, who is gonna turn down easy money. Even if the plaintiff wins, they likely will get next to nothing for their time and trouble. They lawyer will have a nice payday though.

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see that's why I jumped in, that idea that lawyers are only about the payday.

lets say, for example, I want to sue mila kunis for not sleeping with me because I think she has a legal obligation to based on how hot she is. a lawyer, by law cant in good faith take that case because they know, there is no legal basis for it.

but..

that said, if the argument can be made that something could possibly be legal, lets say, for driveline issues. then yes, its something any lawyer basically has an obligation to take if the client can afford to pay in the case of a loss.

what im getting at here, is that the law is an ugly, complicated beast that regular people cannot, and will not, be able to relegate things down to "simple understanding" because judges, are all about the details, and are rarely interested in dumbing things down.

so please, don't beat down on laywers, they aren't all that bad once you get to know them. some are, like anything else, but the same can be said for doctors, mechanics, computer technicians. you name it.

I just don't like seeing people throw out the assumption that lawyers are only about making money and nothing else.
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That and Ford has a lot more money to drag the case out as long as possible, possibly bankrupting the plaintiff.

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