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So what you're saying is that because I have a preference to 285/35-19 Conti DW's on my 9.5 inch wheels that, I should save my money and go with Hankook V12 255/40-19's? Yeah...I'm not sold. Plus the Hankook V12's aren't as good of a performer as the DW's. It is a widely know general feeling that V12's don't hook up as well as some of the other Max Peformance tires including the Conti DW's. Doesn't mean the V12 is a bad tire thought, it's just not the best and some of us have standards that are higher than others. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. 35K Mustang GT isn't a bad car. But a 48K Corvette will spank it. It would seem that one would simply just respect what was said about wider tires and focused compounds assuming an attack didn't happen, which it didn't. You're the one who came in with the insult of spending good money on a tires is mindless.
Here's how you sound: "You bought a 3.7L Mustang. You should have saved the money and got a 2008 370Z. You should have saved some money on it being used and it delivers the same type of power." But you didn't want a 370Z. You had and have a STANDARD that you required and you went for it.
I do not get what you're trying to argue. Tire prices are also driven off of supply and demand so the argument you present as well as mine actually is completely irrelevant.
But let's focus on facts here and there is one very underlying fact: a 275/40-19 tire is most certainly and definitely NOT too wide to run on a 9 inch wheel and in NO way will compromise the safety and integrity of the car's dynamics tire brand A for tire brand A. Let the driver's skill decide that one.
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So what you're saying is that because I have a preference to 285/35-19 Conti DW's on my 9.5 inch wheels that, I should save my money and go with Hankook V12 255/40-19's? Yeah...I'm not sold. Plus the Hankook V12's aren't as good of a performer as the DW's. It is a widely know general feeling that V12's don't hook up as well as some of the other Max Peformance tires including the Conti DW's. Doesn't mean the V12 is a bad tire thought, it's just not the best and some of us have standards that are higher than others. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. 35K Mustang GT isn't a bad car. But a 48K Corvette will spank it. It would seem that one would simply just respect what was said about wider tires and focused compounds assuming an attack didn't happen, which it didn't. You're the one who came in with the insult of spending good money on a tires is mindless.
Here's how you sound: "You bought a 3.7L Mustang. You should have saved the money and got a 2008 370Z. You should have saved some money on it being used and it delivers the same type of power." But you didn't want a 370Z. You had and have a STANDARD that you required and you went for it.
I do not get what you're trying to argue. Tire prices are also driven off of supply and demand so the argument you present as well as mine actually is completely irrelevant.
But let's focus on facts here and there is one very underlying fact: a 275/40-19 tire is most certainly and definitely NOT too wide to run on a 9 inch wheel and in NO way will compromise the safety and integrity of the car's dynamics tire brand A for tire brand A. Let the driver's skill decide that one.
If you don't understand what I am arguing about then you should just keep quiet instead of bagging on my opinions. If I wanted a 370Z I would have gotten it because it out performs my car any day of the week. Theres is NO BENEFIT to getting a super wide tire for a wheel that is not meant to go that wide. That is all I am trying to say but you keep trying to imply things that I am obviously not trying to say. The fast here is that in a performance standpoint, a 275 is TOO WIDE. Yes it will fit just fine on a 9 inch but there is no need for it. The consequences aren't very bad but there is no gains to it.
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THe 255 pirelli P zero are pretty sticky. The 275 continental DW are more sticky. Different tires and I'm ok with it. NO 275 is not too wide for the 9 inch brembo wheels! if CONTINENTAL says its not, TIRERACK says they are not, FORD says they are not and everyone else that has actually used them say that they are not, then I'm pretty sold. People that run them over the 255s have found more grip and better cornering out of them compared to 255s (which the pirelli are stickier than the DW). So that being said, I have a pair and am getting another...
That is all I am trying to say but you keep trying to imply things that I am obviously not trying to say.
You've said several things:
1. Wider tires are a waste of money.
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but 275s on a 9 inch tire is just a waste of money.
We have shown an example of a very high performance compound tire where currently it is cheaper to go with a 275 vs a 255. This is curcumstantial though. It might not be the next week. It might be for the next month. Let the supply and demand decide. And no, the Hankook V12 is NO substitute for a Continental ExtremeContact DW. Ever.
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2. Wider tires on a 9 inch wheel add no benefit to handling and dynamics.
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putting 275s on it would not give you better handling in any way.
But they're not going to hurt it either. Your unpredictability statement is completely obscene. Thinking that 20 mm more in width is going to completely throw off the car's dynamics into unsafe territory is just plain wrong.
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3. 255's are the only tires to have on a 9 inch wheel.
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Like I said, the optimum tire size for a 9 inch tire is around 255
See further down...
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4. 275's on a 9 inch wheel will make the car extremely unpredicatable in the corners
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It will make high speed cornering extremely unpredictable.
How so? So guys who are running 285's in auto cross and track races across the country with the OEM Brembo wheels are putting themselves at risk vs a 255? Right. Tell that to the pros. There are plenty on this forum. Just go to the vendor section.
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The fast here is that in a performance standpoint, a 275 is TOO WIDE. Yes it will fit just fine on a 9 inch but there is no need for it. The consequences aren't very bad but there is no gains to it.
Ok so which one is it? Are wider tires extremely unpredictable and dangerous or are the consequences not very bad?
All are factually wrong. In fact, since I'm in redneck country, I know of many trucks that actually run 305 wide tires on 9 inch wheels and have improved performance on the street, in the woods, and in ride quality.
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Yeah for like....30 feet. These things wear so damn fast. 12,000 miles in on my PZeros and I absolutely HATE them.
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We have shown an example of a very high performance compound tire where currently it is cheaper to go with a 275 vs a 255. This is curcumstantial though. It might not be the next week. It might be for the next month. Let the supply and demand decide. And no, the Hankook V12 is NO substitute for a Continental ExtremeContact DW. Ever.
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2. Wider tires on a 9 inch wheel add no benefit to handling and dynamics.
But they're not going to hurt it either. Your unpredictability statement is completely obscene. Thinking that 20 mm more in width is going to completely throw off the car's dynamics into unsafe territory is just plain wrong.
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3. 255's are the only tires to have on a 9 inch wheel.
See further down...
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4. 275's on a 9 inch wheel will make the car extremely unpredicatable in the corners
How so? So guys who are running 285's in auto cross and track races across the country with the OEM Brembo wheels are putting themselves at risk vs a 255? Right. Tell that to the pros. There are plenty on this forum. Just go to the vendor section.
Ok so which one is it? Are wider tires extremely unpredictable and dangerous or are the consequences not very bad?
All are factually wrong. In fact, since I'm in redneck country, I know of many trucks that actually run 305 wide tires on 9 inch wheels and have improved performance on the street, in the woods, and in ride quality.
1) Hankook V12s and the Continental DW are the same class for tires and the performance, believe it or not, are similar
2) They do become more unpredictable during hard cornering conditions, not that you would know since you probably never done anything past a straight line.
3) Under street conditions there are no added benefit from running 275s on a 9 inch rim. You're better off just going 255s.
4) Go find one person that does autox or road racing that prefers to run 275s on a 9 width rim compared to a 9.5 or 10.
If you don't want to listen to what I say, I am perfectly fine with it but the fact of the matter is that 275 is TOO WIDE. I will not be replying to thread anymore since our argument is not going anywhere. You have no experience other than the wheels + tire combo you have right now and I just do not have the patience or time to keep this up. You want to run 275s, go ahead. It is your money and not mine, do what makes you happy.
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Yeah for like....30 feet. These things wear so damn fast. 12,000 miles in on my PZeros and I absolutely HATE them.
haha I hear that. It seems its a hit or miss, some stick like crazy and die young and some are like hokey pucks and die young...
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BTW the pirellis and michelin pilot super sports are in the same class as well. How about you ask everyone that switched if the 2 tires grip similarly, or are even remotely close performance wise.
Also I am sure NSAMADS doesn't ever drive his car hard at all...heck he probably doesn't even drive it and just jogs places and walks slowly around corners on the road (sarcasm). But again what would I know as well since I probably do the same thing he does plus I am just some college student that doesn't know anything. Or what does Grimace knows since he obviously knows nothing about any car especially his and gets paid by mercedes to pretend he is a mechanic.
But sure, I agree that we don't seem to be getting anywhere, and no need to try to convince you of anything since you don;t even have these wheels to begin with.
All that being said, your mustang honestly looks very nice and angry
When I went to 315/35/20 R and 275/35/20 F, I noticed a sloppiness when cornering; felt like sidewall flex. Once I installed a stiffer rear sway bar, adjustable panhard and adjustable front sway set in softest position, it cornered far superior to stock
BTW the pirellis and michelin pilot super sports are in the same class as well. How about you ask everyone that switched if the 2 tires grip similarly, or are even remotely close performance wise.
Also I am sure NSAMADS doesn't ever drive his car hard at all...heck he probably doesn't even drive it and just jogs places and walks slowly around corners on the road (sarcasm). But again what would I know as well since I probably do the same thing he does plus I am just some college student that doesn't know anything. Or what does Grimace knows since he obviously knows nothing about any car especially his and gets paid by mercedes to pretend he is a mechanic.
But sure, I agree that we don't seem to be getting anywhere, and no need to try to convince you of anything since you don;t even have these wheels to begin with.
All that being said, your mustang honestly looks very nice and angry
Yeah, pretty much this.^^
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When I went to 315/35/20 R and 275/35/20 F, I noticed a sloppiness when cornering; felt like sidewall flex. Once I installed a stiffer rear sway bar, adjustable panhard and adjustable front sway set in softest position, it cornered far superior to stock
For our cars, 315/35-20's gives you a total tire diameter of 28.7 inches. For our cars, that's just way too tall. The factory Brembo Brake Package setup is 27 inches almost on the dot.
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For our cars, 315/35-20's gives you a total tire diameter of 28.7 inches. For our cars, that's just way too tall. The factory Brembo Brake Package setup is 27 inches almost on the dot.
Yep. 315/30/20 would be a better idea.
Also, 275s are not too wide for 9inch wheels. They are the absolute limit. I had a saleen that ran 275s on the 20x9 wheels. No problem at all.
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Just thought I would chime in and say that I love my 275 Conti DW's... went on a cruise through some twisty roads a couple of weeks ago and was really impressed. Will purchase again.
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Your issue likely stems from the tire being too wide for the rim - your sidewalls are flexing. A 10" rim or returning to a more narrow tire will clear that up by properly aligning the sidewall's orientation. There's always the possiblity that your tire of choice has weak sidewalls by design.
haha I hear that. It seems its a hit or miss, some stick like crazy and die young and some are like hokey pucks and die young...
DBBLACK
BTW the pirellis and michelin pilot super sports are in the same class as well. How about you ask everyone that switched if the 2 tires grip similarly, or are even remotely close performance wise.
Also I am sure NSAMADS doesn't ever drive his car hard at all...heck he probably doesn't even drive it and just jogs places and walks slowly around corners on the road (sarcasm). But again what would I know as well since I probably do the same thing he does plus I am just some college student that doesn't know anything. Or what does Grimace knows since he obviously knows nothing about any car especially his and gets paid by mercedes to pretend he is a mechanic.
But sure, I agree that we don't seem to be getting anywhere, and no need to try to convince you of anything since you don;t even have these wheels to begin with.
All that being said, your mustang honestly looks very nice and angry
I went that way, and switched my rear 255/40R19 Pirellis, to 275/40R19 (Michelin Pilot Super Sport), mounted on the same stock Brembo wheels 19X9.
Car feels much better, more stable, glued to the floor, even I don't need to have my TC on, because those tires really handle. I'm just waiting for the front Pirellis to wear, for me to replace them with the same tire (size-brand) that I mounted on the back.
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These things wear so damn fast. 12,000 miles in on my PZeros and I absolutely HATE them.
