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View Poll Results: Which system?
Hellion Twin Turbo 7 46.67%
Paxton Novi 2200 Competition 8 53.33%
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So I've been weighing my options on which system will provide the best power per gallon of fuel and also balance a reasonable cost. My car is a 2013 5.0 Auto.

I plan to put in Manley H beams and Forged Pistons either diamonds or manley with new valve springs. I've also been debating what compression ratio I want to run I'm leaning towards high compression low boost but possibly low compression high boost but I'd rather retain some good low end under 3k rpms.


I'll also be running a Circle D 2c torque converter , ID 1000's and off road exhaust. (possibly a boos 302 intake), of course a good tune from Lund or or a highly reputable shop at my local mustang dyno.

I know this is a tough decision but there is a decent bit of cost difference but they are apples and oranges. I have yet to ride in a centrifugal powered car so im unfamiliar with is feel of power boost. I have owned a few turbo setups though. I appreciate any input. Also my self and my local buddies have a good amount of mechanic experience and can do nearly all of the install ourselves.

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I dont like the location of the turbos in the hellion kit. I would imagine a little fender bender would cause some serious damage. I guess it's not something relevant in a race-ish car. The paxton is the best buy per dollar, but I have a thing for turbos. It's probably just because I'm an engineer though lol. If the price isn't a major deciding factor I'd go with the hellion kit.
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I dont like the location of the turbos in the hellion kit. I would imagine a little fender bender would cause some serious damage. I guess it's not something relevant in a race-ish car. The paxton is the best buy per dollar, but I have a thing for turbos. It's probably just because I'm an engineer though lol. If the price isn't a major deciding factor I'd go with the hellion kit.
The object is to NOT get into a fender bender however. They have to put the turbos somewhere for efficiency, heat dissipation, etc and some protection, but protecting them from physical damage in accidents isn't job one.
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Turbo will always beat a supercharger when it comes down to HP per pound of boost. This is the kit to get.
http://twinturbo50.com/



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the paxton kit and hellion twins are not even in the same class. the hellion twins are 8k and the paxton kit is less than 5k.

anyways the paxton boost will feel very different than the turbos. it will make power but it wont make near the same torque that a tt will make.
if i had the money to get a tt setup i would had gone that route instead of the paxton. either setup will be pretty much handy capped unless you build the motor though so think about that.
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Turbo will always beat a supercharger when it comes down to HP per pound of boost. This is the kit to get.
http://twinturbo50.com/
Good luck gettin in touch with Ken B or John about the kit I've been trying to for months and no reply's that level of communication is steering me away from them. Also not to mention the TT50 kit is using magnum turbo's I believe ,where as Hellion is using precision and I can personally vouch for precision CEA compressor quality.


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the paxton kit and hellion twins are not even in the same class. the hellion twins are 8k and the paxton kit is less than 5k.

anyways the paxton boost will feel very different than the turbos. it will make power but it wont make near the same torque that a tt will make.
if i had the money to get a tt setup i would had gone that route instead of the paxton. either setup will be pretty much handy capped unless you build the motor though so think about that.
I do plan on dropping forged internals and billet oil pump gears with MMR valve springs. See my only arguement with the paxton is I have to buy headers which adds say 900$, also the adjustability of the turbo system with boost is great. However I've been investing so much $$$$$ into casrs this past year its starting to wear on me lol. Thats why I'm considering the slightly cheaper paxton system. The paxton in the end of my initial calculations comes out about 2.5k cheaper than the hellion setup.
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Good luck gettin in touch with Ken B or John about the kit I've been trying to for months and no reply's that level of communication is steering me away from them. Also not to mention the TT50 kit is using magnum turbo's I believe ,where as Hellion is using precision and I can personally vouch for precision CEA compressor quality.




I do plan on dropping forged internals and billet oil pump gears with MMR valve springs. See my only arguement with the paxton is I have to buy headers which adds say 900$, also the adjustability of the turbo system with boost is great. However I've been investing so much $$$$$ into casrs this past year its starting to wear on me lol. Thats why I'm considering the slightly cheaper paxton system. The paxton in the end of my initial calculations comes out about 2.5k cheaper than the hellion setup.
You don't have to put headers dude. You want to but is not needed. The stock headers are good for big power.
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Good luck gettin in touch with Ken B or John about the kit I've been trying to for months and no reply's that level of communication is steering me away from them.
That's too bad, it looks like a pretty beast setup.

I've heard good things about Hellion customer service though and they know what they're doing when it comes to forced induction. I always thought it was funny that with all the turbo kits they make John Urist uses a Procharger on his Street Outlaw Mustang.



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I've heard good things about Hellion customer service though and they know what they're doing when it comes to forced induction. I always thought it was funny that with all the turbo kits they make John Urist uses a Procharger on his Street Outlaw Mustang.

If you spent five minutes on S197forum, you would think Hellion/BBR was run by monkeys. There was a lot of back and forth with them and mustang owners who become former customers of theirs due to extremely poor customer service, even going so far as to accuse customers of theft. Now this is all second hand info and I hope it has improved since I read those stories, but it is enough to where I would not run a free Hellion turbo kit on my car. Their single turbo kits had a myriad of issues from pipes hitting the crossmember and bottoming out on the road, to turbo surging issues from improperly sized pipes.

A lot of turbo experts agreed their newer twin setup is vastly improved but people were still taking their kits to shops to be tuned that were not BBR(which in case anyone doesn't know is their tuning house, similar to BAMA is to American Muscle).

Anyone interested in hearing a great story, you should ask Beefcake about how he was called out by BBR and their 'mystery Coyote' and they never showed up. Beefcake drove the 10 hours to the track anyway.


My money would go to the Paxton. Well known to work and work well. If Beefcake can run 8's with his system, there is no reason to think you(general person) would be limiting yourself at all with your street car.
 
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I would go with a supercharger over a turbo kit any day. The reason for this is complexity and reliability. I have never seen an aftermarket turbo kit that did not require constant attention. Any reputable supercharger kit on the market will run as good as stock with very few issues. Your TT kit will (my opinion) require constant tuning and never feel quite right.
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I would go with a supercharger over a turbo kit any day. The reason for this is complexity and reliability. I have never seen an aftermarket turbo kit that did not require constant attention. Any reputable supercharger kit on the market will run as good as stock with very few issues. Your TT kit will (my opinion) require constant tuning and never feel quite right.

i dont think so. this computers can adjust for major variations in weather conditions. i believe that the hellion tt comes with tial hardware which is really top notch. a buddy of mine has a 2005 s2000 turbo with 450whp. it has over 15k with the turbo setup and the only thing that its done to it is oil and spark plugs. i dont see how this motor would be any different. now if you get a crappy turbo kit you will run into reliability issues. a supercharger has its own issues and the head units them self can become faulty and belt slipping could be a big issue once boost is raised.
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Dammit all these supercharger threads lately are making me anxious , july needs to hurry its ass up :kooky:
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Turbo will always beat a supercharger when it comes down to HP per pound of boost. This is the kit to get.
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If you spent five minutes on S197forum, you would think Hellion/BBR was run by monkeys. There was a lot of back and forth with them and mustang owners who become former customers of theirs due to extremely poor customer service, even going so far as to accuse customers of theft. Now this is all second hand info and I hope it has improved since I read those stories, but it is enough to where I would not run a free Hellion turbo kit on my car. Their single turbo kits had a myriad of issues from pipes hitting the crossmember and bottoming out on the road, to turbo surging issues from improperly sized pipes.

A lot of turbo experts agreed their newer twin setup is vastly improved but people were still taking their kits to shops to be tuned that were not BBR(which in case anyone doesn't know is their tuning house, similar to BAMA is to American Muscle).
I had never heard that about Hellion. Before I got my '13 I had a fox body and was interested in a turbo for it. On the Corral forums most of the gripes were aimed at On3 and their customer service. B&G was one that I repeatedly heard good things about. Evidently he has a kit for the 05-10 but not the Coyote.
I still have dreams of a turbocharged fox body though!




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Everything eventually comes down to price. A tt kit can cost almost twice as much as a supercharger kit. For that amount a tt better outperform a supercharger!
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