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Unread 01-29-2012   #1 (permalink)
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Default 4.6 Vs 5.0 GT Difference

For year's i enjoyed my 2006 GT and felt that i had plenty of horsepower for my driving needs. Because of some electrical problems that was going to be a ***** to diagnose and repair i decided to sell her and but a 2012 GT.

This past weekend, we went to go visit my father in law on the coastline of California. Anybody that knows the pacific coast highway going north of Santa Rosa knows there is some backroad heaven for opening her up. I came up on 4 car's in front of me doing around 60, looked for my opening and dropped her down in 4th and floored it. Before i knew it, i was around all 4 and a quick glance down showed i was doing around 110. This all happened right now!

Anybody that says the difference between the 4.6 and the 5.0 is just a "little bit" is out of their head. This sucker is fast!
 
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Both are great motors but I am partial to the new 5.0
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I'm going to get thrashed for this statement...I would not be caught dead driving the 4.6 version of the mustang. 14 second 1/4 miles from a muscle car is WEAK!
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I traded a 2010 GT 5 speed 3.73 gear base for a premium 2012 auto 5.0. Believe me, there is no comparison! The 2012 pulls MUCH harder. I drove a friends 2007 GT with a KB blower and a total of 14,000.00 in upgrades and my 2012 feels stronger. He has contacted KB numerous times to get it to run correctly. I feel something is definitly wrong with his car as I expected it to feel much quicker. Much happier with the 2012 as a bad left leg made the auto necessary. I am 64 years old and drove a ton of the 60's muscle cars. Stock none of them would beat the 5.0 and I am talking Hemi's, 440 six packs, 455 Buick GS, tri-power GTO's and 396 375HP Camaro!
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I'm going to get thrashed for this statement...I would not be caught dead driving the 4.6 version of the mustang. 14 second 1/4 miles from a muscle car is WEAK!
Isn't even the 6 in the 13s?
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Ford's new 5.0 'Coyote' engine is fantastic. It's what put the Mustang on the map for me. Handling is the other thing that Ford got right with the new (2011 and older...) Mustang.

I guess I feel like part of a brotherhood with this car...but I really only would want to own the newer cars.

BTW, who can we thank from Ford for finally making a true performance product? I'm just glad they got their act together...the new Ecoboost V6, SHO, Focus ST (eventually) are all great cars, IMO.
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I'm going to get thrashed for this statement...I would not be caught dead driving the 4.6 version of the mustang. 14 second 1/4 miles from a MODERN muscle car is WEAK!
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I am 64 years old and drove a ton of the 60's muscle cars. Stock none of them would beat the 5.0 and I am talking Hemi's, 440 six packs, 455 Buick GS, tri-power GTO's and 396 375HP Camaro!
True statement
I'm only 43 and been into Muscle cars both Modern and classic for all of my adult life. I've either raced against or driven several Classic Muscle cars and they are in no way as quick as the modern ones. In my book you can't appreciate where we are now without understanding where it all came from. Old Muscle is Raw new Muscle is Refined, but they both can make you smile.
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True statement
I'm only 43 and been into Muscle cars both Modern and classic for all of my adult life. I've either raced against or driven several Classic Muscle cars and they are in no way as quick as the modern ones. In my book you can't appreciate where we are now without understanding where it all came from. Old Muscle is Raw new Muscle is Refined, but they both can make you smile.
Amen. I drove my brothers 06 GT when it was new. It felt quick then. My car would
blow it up.

Still gotta love the old iron, though. I would still love to get my hands on an LS6 Chevelle, or a GT500 KR from back in the day. How about a Road Runner or Super Bee? Yeah, I may torch 'em with my 5.0, but they would still look and sound killer.
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Another thing to remember is that those older cars were fast for their time, but most had pitiful handling and braking characteristics. Any new muscle car would run laps around the old cars. But I grew up with them and still love them! It would be a shame to have to smoke an old camaro or GTO (almost!).
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I can pull on mildly modded 4.6 GT's... 5.0's pull nicely on me, so they are quick no doubt.

The powerband on these new motors though is up there. You will notice the 4.6 will start falling on its face in the upper RPM range.

Everytime I raced a 4.6 GT s197 at the track they would get me out of the hole, but once i was up top in my power band I would pull on them. The 5.0 works the same way. Once vtec kicks in your outta there lol
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Also the muscle cars and their performance times back then, I wonder what the numbers would be with modern tires.
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I had an 03gt slightly modified with 3.73 gears ,CAI, Predator Tune , Off road X with series 40 Flows and my new GT 5.0 would run that car over , these new 5.0's are incredible and I love it
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I had my 2007 GT at the dealer for a tire rotation last year and I test drove a new 2011 5.0. I felt it would be better to drive the 5.0 home and I'm still driving it.
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I traded a 2010 GT 5 speed 3.73 gear base for a premium 2012 auto 5.0. Believe me, there is no comparison! The 2012 pulls MUCH harder. I drove a friends 2007 GT with a KB blower and a total of 14,000.00 in upgrades and my 2012 feels stronger. He has contacted KB numerous times to get it to run correctly. I feel something is definitly wrong with his car as I expected it to feel much quicker. Much happier with the 2012 as a bad left leg made the auto necessary. I am 64 years old and drove a ton of the 60's muscle cars. Stock none of them would beat the 5.0 and I am talking Hemi's, 440 six packs, 455 Buick GS, tri-power GTO's and 396 375HP Camaro!
The thing is,those HP numbers on those old cars are misleading. Many people attribute emissions laws and all the changes and equipment they required with reducing horsepower drastically,and to a point that is correct,but its not the whole story. As an example,consider the 500cubic inch Cadillac V8. 1n 1970 it was rated at 400HP. Thats SAE gross HP. In 1971 they dropped the compression ratio from 10.1 to 8.5:1. In the old system,its horsepower dropped from 400 to 365. Thats a significant difference but around that time something else was happening. The way the auto industry was required to report horsepower changed. Back in the day,they would make a specially built engine with crazy clearances and strip it of all its accessories including the water pump. They would take that engine,bolt it to the engine dyno and see how much power they could squeeze out of it before it self destructed. That number they read off the engine dyno just before a rod went flying through the bl235ock was then sent to marketing and printed on all the ads and brochures. That changed around that time. Under the new system they have to run in a similar configuration to whats going to be in a actual car. Under the new system,that 365 horsepower motor put out 235 HP. Thats quite a hit and most people attribute it all to emissions equipment.

What Im getting at is,our cars put out 400HP under the new system. Thats quite a bit more than a car that puts out 400HP under the old system. The V6 that Ford is using in Mustangs puts out far more than that. In fact,MOST modern V6 engines put out vastly more power than the largest V8 engines of old put out when you take into account the different rating systems.
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Thanks Mallen. I have often wondered what the difference was between the gross and net numbers. I guess I kinda figured they would be more similar to what we do now with the advertised crank hp and the rwhp on a chassis dyno. Guess I would have been WAAAY off, huh?

I wonder what our 412 hp equates to in 1969 gross numbers. Sounds like it would be around 500 or so?
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