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Hey guys/gals,

I'm a long time reader and a first time poster on this forum. This is where I've spent the two months that I waited for my '13 GT Premium w/ Track Pckg and Recaros. I've had it now for a few months and to say it's a lot of fun would be an understatement. I've attached a few pics below (hopefully i did it right and they show up).

So far the only thing I've changed is put on Borla S-type axleback exhaust. For the last month or so I've been doing some research into different CAIs and tune combinations. The only thing that is stopping me from getting both is the dreaded warranty issue. This being my first "big boy job" car out of college, I am hesitant to do something that may or may not ruin my warranty if something happens.

For a while there I thought that I found a solution that is the best of both worlds. I was thinking about getting C&L CAI (no tune required) based on review I've read and the fact that they have addressed the water/heat extractors issue for 2013 models. I was hoping to combine that with FRPP Procal tune, which is the only tune according to Ford would not void the warranty. I've read the responses from C&L staff on the forums that it is indeed a viable option. Obviously I would not get the whole effect of CAI and tune, I know that going into this.

I've talked to a few custom mustang shops in my area, and the general response was that off the shelf tunes have OK applicability if that due to inherent difference between any given car. As well as running a CAI without a tune would probably result in the engine running lean.

I apologize for such a long post, I had a lot on my mind. I guess my question is do people run CAI w/o tune with success? I would love to hear from people that do and what is their experience with it has been like. Do I have any other options that I have not explored yet? Any help/suggestions would be welcome.
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You can run CAIs without a tune and have some gains in HP and MPG but if you want the maximum effect from one you get a tune.
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airaid is no tune, dynos may say this and that especially AM that claims all of these freak numbers but you don't feel a thing with a CAI be it your 5.0 or a v6.

A tune won't void your warranty, only if its the tune's fault for something to go wrong, your radio goes out and your car is tuned, of course the tune didn't make the radio break so they can't void it.

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I really don't think those intakes to much of anything on the new Mustangs without a tune. On modern cars intakes already flow so well stock. Its like why replace your stock intake thats locked up in a box for one thats gonna have an exposed air filter under the hood with all that heat?
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Looks only the small amount of h.p. will not be noticed, it'll sound better and that's about it.
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I really don't think those intakes to much of anything on the new Mustangs without a tune. On modern cars intakes already flow so well stock. Its like why replace your stock intake thats locked up in a box for one thats gonna have an exposed air filter under the hood with all that heat?

Most have heat shrouds that protect against that and snug up against the hood when closed. Mine does anyway...
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Anything that alters the AFR will need a tune to see any change in performance...I could even see a performance decrease by going with any CAI without a tune. Of course you will notice a increase in intake sound, but that's all you'll get without a tune...Also a lighter wallet. I went with the Steeda tune and CAI because I felt the Steeda CAI was the most well executed and a highly engineered piece that takes advantage of all aspects of a high performance CAI. Same reason goes for why I went with the Steeda tune...Because they really did their homework and I've heard they keep the stock knock sensors versus some others that turn off knock sensors to gain performance. I have to say I'm extremely happy with my Steeda setup. It's worth the $700.
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i got the steeda CAI and the bama tuner...awesome results. its like night and day. and if you wana take her back to the dealer, you can just upload the original tune back into because it gets saved to your tuner. but dont go by me. call american muscle theyll have an answer and make sure you get a tuner with a CAI if you choose to get one...really makes a good difference and uses the potential that the 5 liter has. id enjoy it stock for awhile since you just got it too


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Better (much better)....find a Ford Dealer who will install an aftermarket tune and CAI. My dealer installed my Steeda CAI and 91 octane tune and assured me it would not void my warranty.
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Hey guys/gals,

I'm a long time reader and a first time poster on this forum. This is where I've spent the two months that I waited for my '13 GT Premium w/ Track Pckg and Recaros. I've had it now for a few months and to say it's a lot of fun would be an understatement. I've attached a few pics below (hopefully i did it right and they show up).

So far the only thing I've changed is put on Borla S-type axleback exhaust. For the last month or so I've been doing some research into different CAIs and tune combinations. The only thing that is stopping me from getting both is the dreaded warranty issue. This being my first "big boy job" car out of college, I am hesitant to do something that may or may not ruin my warranty if something happens.

For a while there I thought that I found a solution that is the best of both worlds. I was thinking about getting C&L CAI (no tune required) based on review I've read and the fact that they have addressed the water/heat extractors issue for 2013 models. I was hoping to combine that with FRPP Procal tune, which is the only tune according to Ford would not void the warranty. I've read the responses from C&L staff on the forums that it is indeed a viable option. Obviously I would not get the whole effect of CAI and tune, I know that going into this.

I've talked to a few custom mustang shops in my area, and the general response was that off the shelf tunes have OK applicability if that due to inherent difference between any given car. As well as running a CAI without a tune would probably result in the engine running lean.

I apologize for such a long post, I had a lot on my mind. I guess my question is do people run CAI w/o tune with success? I would love to hear from people that do and what is their experience with it has been like. Do I have any other options that I have not explored yet? Any help/suggestions would be welcome.
Welcome to AFM and Congratulations on the awesome pick up. I'm glad to hear you're really enjoying your 13' GT, I know I would be! It's hard to believe you've been able to fight off the "Modification Bug" for a few months now, that's some good self control lol. Most guys have a CAI and Tune on the car before they even get home!

To answer your question, you can run a "No tune Required" CAI on your Coyote. However, you won't see big performance gains with just the intake. When a CAI is paired together with a Bama tune or any tune, that's when you really see the big performance gains! Here's a video we put together for questions just like this, check it out:



Like listed above, if a Ford dealer is going to void your Warranty, they need proof that the modification you added is what caused the Damage. Example .. If you break a suspension part that's covered under warranty, they can't say it was because of the tune.

I would recommend just giving a few local Ford dealerships a call and feel out their Service Manager. Some guys understand that they shouldn't void your warranty because of a tune!

I hope this helps! Let me know if you have any questions or need some assistance. Our Mustang Experts are here Monday-Friday from 9AM-9PM EST and Saturdays from 9AM-5:30PM EST. If you want to hit them up, their number is 866.727.1266.

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Better (much better)....find a Ford Dealer who will install an aftermarket tune and CAI. My dealer installed my Steeda CAI and 91 octane tune and assured me it would not void my warranty.

Yeah, that would be ideal scenario. Unfortunately when I brought up the idea of a tune on my car to one of the service reps at the my dealership (the one I bought the car from), he right away said it's gonna void my warranty for applicable components. He said he's never even heard about FRPP tune Procal, which is pretty weird since it is actually endorsed by Ford. The guy said they wouldn't want to be liable for any tune.

There is a local custom mustang shop in my area, they said they would be able to do a custom tune specifically for my car when and if I get a CAI. Has anybody had experience with custom tune over BAMA, Steeda or any other?

I was pretty excited about modding my car, and this whole warranty issue is really bumming me out. Thanks for all your guys feedback, I do appreciate it.
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Just to make it clear. Just because you put a part on your vehicle it DOES NOT void your warranty. For a product to affect the warranty, there must be an investigation done by the party refuting the warranty to prove that the aftermarket product indeed caused the OEM component part to fail. Just because you put a CAI on your car it does not does not automatically void the warranty. The CAI would have the be the direct cause that caused the part to fail. Also, you have to remember when installing aftermarket parts you are responsible to care and drive the car in a non malicious way - because no warranty covers "abuse".

The Steeda CAI and tune is very safe and powerful - the perfect combination of power and reliability without any need for concern about engine damage. Plus it is made under strict ISO 9001:2008 conditions - unlike ANY OTHER aftermarket CAI -- your guarantee of quality..

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I have a 2013 GT W/trac aps, I took it to Shelby American's speed shop in Vegas and asked them what I could do for upgrades without having warranty issues. I was told that headders were out as you cannot beat the flow in the stok headders. The boss intake will result in only a few HP gain, in my opinion not enough bang for the buck. An intace can lend enable a good tuner to set paramiters for the fuel you use and the way you drive. I use 100 octane pump gas, have a custom tune (diablo trenity) and borla cat back 422rwhp. My only problem is I drive the car too much, I find the long way home whenever I can, weekend trips and cruizes are a given. I would not waste my money on more parts untill I see the proof the warranty isue is not worth a couple of HP.
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Yeah, that would be ideal scenario. Unfortunately when I brought up the idea of a tune on my car to one of the service reps at the my dealership (the one I bought the car from), he right away said it's gonna void my warranty for applicable components. He said he's never even heard about FRPP tune Procal, which is pretty weird since it is actually endorsed by Ford. The guy said they wouldn't want to be liable for any tune.
Call you're dealer again. Call the other Ford dealers in your area. Ask them if they have a mechanic who specializes in installing performance options (mufflers, shocks, tune, etc). If they give you a name, talk to him. You'll never get anywhere talking to a Ford rep who doesn't know what FRPP is, lol. Good luck!

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Yeah, that would be ideal scenario. Unfortunately when I brought up the idea of a tune on my car to one of the service reps at the my dealership (the one I bought the car from), he right away said it's gonna void my warranty for applicable components. He said he's never even heard about FRPP tune Procal, which is pretty weird since it is actually endorsed by Ford. The guy said they wouldn't want to be liable for any tune.

There is a local custom mustang shop in my area, they said they would be able to do a custom tune specifically for my car when and if I get a CAI. Has anybody had experience with custom tune over BAMA, Steeda or any other?

I was pretty excited about modding my car, and this whole warranty issue is really bumming me out. Thanks for all your guys feedback, I do appreciate it.
This FORD TSB is worth a full read, including the "flow chart." Then make up your own mind about what you want to do with/to your car.
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