I completely agree. In fact, if I had a Stang and first gear wasnt so low already, I'd go with 4.30s or 4.56s and not think twice. The reason you dont need to be afraid of alot of gear is that you can simply reverse the effect by increasing tire height, which will also INCREASE TRACTION. Run alot of gear with tall tires and your car will hook and go.
Todays group of "hot rodders" are sissys, IMHO. Back in the 70s the small block guys ran anywhere from 4.56s, to 4.88s, to 5.13s! They had those tachs pinned at 8 or 9 grand, but you get my point. And they only had 4 speeds! 4th gear was only direct drive my friends.
How do you think those Evos and STis run good times with no torque? If you think its because of their weight, your sadly mistaken. Theyre not THAT light. They have like a 3:1 first gear with 4.88s. Even my moms Chevy Lumina could haul ass if it had a 14.5:1 first gear!
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1967 Plymouth GTX, work in progress.
440 cubes (thats 7.2 litres for you modern guys)
375 horses
480 ft lbs of torque
MODS: Direct Connection Purple Shaft cam
The downside to running a tall tire is that you can't lower the car very much the newer stangs desperately need. Also, we can't run the incredibly steep gears that guys ran back in the earlier years of hot rodding without dumping tons of money into the bottom end of the motor and valvetrain. 8-9 grand on a stock 2V mod motor is begging for a tow truck ride home.
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i know this thread is really old but im going to add to it anyways seeing as how much particular decision to go with 4.30's came about.
when i was looking into gears i came on here and asked about it. it was my first few threads/posts on the site. i asked what kind of gears should i get and all this stuff. MOST everybody told me that 4.10's and up will see bad gas mileage blah blah all this other stuff... i was thinking 3.73 or 3.90 at this point. until one guy came on and told me about his cobra and he did 4.30's and pointed out all the experiences he had with them. so i was decided on the 4.30's. went with the 4.30's... i get AMAZING gas mileage around town and the freeway mileage is about the same. it honestly felt like i had just bolted on 80 ft lbs of torque. had i known better i would have done 4.56's
i know this thread is really old but im going to add to it anyways seeing as how much particular decision to go with 4.30's came about.
when i was looking into gears i came on here and asked about it. it was my first few threads/posts on the site. i asked what kind of gears should i get and all this stuff. MOST everybody told me that 4.10's and up will see bad gas mileage blah blah all this other stuff... i was thinking 3.73 or 3.90 at this point. until one guy came on and told me about his cobra and he did 4.30's and pointed out all the experiences he had with them. so i was decided on the 4.30's. went with the 4.30's... i get AMAZING gas mileage around town and the freeway mileage is about the same. it honestly felt like i had just bolted on 80 ft lbs of torque. had i known better i would have done 4.56's
The gas mileage issue is just myth. The easier you stay "in the power curve" of your cam the better mileage you get. The only disadvantage with low gears like that is on a T45, 3650 or T5, the 1st gear is 3.37. That equates to a useless 1st gear. It is over so fast, that it is rendered a granny gear.
Go with PI heads and quit watching The Fast and the Furious. (thanks 2 IhaveadopeGT)
Remember, it is almost impossible for anyone, myself included, to diagnose a problem over the internet without seeing the car. My advice is simply that, advice based on years of experience. I don't want you or anyone taking my word as gospel. I am trying to give some direction as to what I think may be happening.
yes, but 1st gear just yanks so hard.... its like.... amazing
i shift at about 32 mph when i max out first gear. and yes it goes buy quick... but thats usually where i gain a lot of my distance on people when they race me. i mean cause i rip through the gear in like a second
I love my 4.10s in my 5spd!
Buy some Maximum Motorsports Lower and Ford Racing or MM Uppers at the same time and the 410s hook just fine. My 60fts are the same as when it was all stock and after that it pulls hard enough to take LS1 Camaros.... now who wouldnt like that?
Well I read this whole thing over and one thing that it didn't mention was about forced induction. I have read countless threads as well saying "Don't do 4.10s if you have forced induction, only do it if you are N/A" and I currently am supercharged with 3.73s and was planning on doing 4.10s because I thought I could get more of a harder pull and also I guess get better gas mileage which would be a plus. However before I do buy it I dont wanna be disappointed. So can anyone with any knowledge of forced induction 4.10 give any insight? Is it worth it? Or should I stay at 3.73s...
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99 mustang GT
Vortech V-1 Supercharger, 42lb injectors, Sean Hyland Blower Cams, JBA shorty headers, Mac O/r H pipe, Mac High Flow Cats, 373 gears, spec stage 3 clutch,75mm TB, Bullit Brake Upgrade, Bullit rims, 90mm MAF, Steeda Boost Pipe, Steeda Tuned, CNL Plenum, Steeda Springs, Tokico Gas Shocks
Well I read this whole thing over and one thing that it didn't mention was about forced induction. I have read countless threads as well saying "Don't do 4.10s if you have forced induction, only do it if you are N/A" and I currently am supercharged with 3.73s and was planning on doing 4.10s because I thought I could get more of a harder pull and also I guess get better gas mileage which would be a plus. However before I do buy it I dont wanna be disappointed. So can anyone with any knowledge of forced induction 4.10 give any insight? Is it worth it? Or should I stay at 3.73s...
4.10's with a S/C is pointless IMO. 1st and 2nd are pointless, they just blow the tires off. And the RPMS skyrocket in each gear.
IMO 3.73's work BEST with a supercharger. IMO N/A and N20 setups are perfect with 4.10's. If you are running a Centri style blower, I think 4.10's might work. But for a PD blower, 3:55, or 3:73
4.10's with a S/C is pointless IMO. 1st and 2nd are pointless, they just blow the tires off. And the RPMS skyrocket in each gear.
IMO 3.73's work BEST with a supercharger. IMO N/A and N20 setups are perfect with 4.10's. If you are running a Centri style blower, I think 4.10's might work. But for a PD blower, 3:55, or 3:73
So your saying there's a chance.... hahaha Hmmm I see that you have a PD blower and that means that your getting basically instant boost so with 4.10s maybe it would be a waste. But yea i do have centri blower so I wouldn't be spinning THAT much in 2nd gear but with 4.10s that may be a different story.
ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A CENTRI BLOWER AND 4.10s GIVE SOME INSIGHT!
Hopefully that reaches someone with 4.10s and a centri blower so we can know if it is a good thing or bad. Till then 3.73s will suffice.
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99 mustang GT
Vortech V-1 Supercharger, 42lb injectors, Sean Hyland Blower Cams, JBA shorty headers, Mac O/r H pipe, Mac High Flow Cats, 373 gears, spec stage 3 clutch,75mm TB, Bullit Brake Upgrade, Bullit rims, 90mm MAF, Steeda Boost Pipe, Steeda Tuned, CNL Plenum, Steeda Springs, Tokico Gas Shocks
So your saying there's a chance.... hahaha Hmmm I see that you have a PD blower and that means that your getting basically instant boost so with 4.10s maybe it would be a waste. But yea i do have centri blower so I wouldn't be spinning THAT much in 2nd gear but with 4.10s that may be a different story.
ANYONE OUT THERE WITH A CENTRI BLOWER AND 4.10s GIVE SOME INSIGHT!
Hopefully that reaches someone with 4.10s and a centri blower so we can know if it is a good thing or bad. Till then 3.73s will suffice.
i wanna know that too!! i want to get some gears this weekend but i also want to go s/c in the next few months so i want to make the right choice i dont regret it later!
if a n/a car does best with 410's surely a boosted one will do alright,if your car spins tires,get bigger ones,mustangs have lots of room for rear tires
(thanks 2 IhaveadopeGT)
