My Brother is into the Eclipse's. I also had a 2000 GT v6.. I can say that the only quick Eclipse is the the 1st Gen. 90-92 DSM's
Those things love RPM's and tack out fairly high. However.....The amount of money you need to dump into these things to get them to be track status is UNREAL!!! My Brother is up to $5,000 and still needs to open the motor to build her up. HE DID IT BACKWARDS!!!
Your brother has no idea what he's doing. For starters, the 1st and 2nd GEN DSMs have the 4G63 and a turbo. The 1st gens have a 14B turbo, which is actually a pretty good turbo that has propelled guys into the LOW LOW 13s and even high 12s. The 2nd gens have a T-25, which basically sucks, but is still good enough for high 13 second runs near stock.
I know of several guys who were DEEP 13's for less than $500. Usually a manual boost controller (less than $30 from Home Depot) and test pipe are all it needs to be a solid 13 second performer. Intercooler pipes, downpipe, come next and are still relatively affordable.
They are just as track ready as any 5.0L/4.6L Mustang. Even better, they'll cut 1.8 60fts on street tires all day long if you've got AWD. The 4G63 is extremely stout (except when the crank walks out of the block) and looooves boost. The fact that they used it in the Evolution up until a few years ago speaks to that.
That being said, the 3G Eclipses never should have been built, they're non-modifiable crap, and threatened to compromise the Eclipse legacy. I file them in the same category as the RX8.
In the immortal words of Carroll Shelby "horsepower sells cars, but torque wins races"...
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you must be on the wrong site. wish i would of got my race against an eclipse the other night in ocean city on video. i dont like to talk crap but alot of ricers ask for it
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Tell him excuses are like rear ends, everyone has one and most of them are full of it! Talk is cheap, cash is green! Line up, race or shut up! Good job smokin that ricer! LOL
The point I'm trying to drive home is that there's a difference between ricers and imports capable of quickness. Nothing pisses me off more than the V8 superiority mentality.
Those who know of my tenure on this board know I've always been one to play devil's advocate
look man, v8 superiority comes in when you race a kid who thinks his sweet not-forced-inducted v6 eclipse can smoke a 260hp v8. now when someone knows about the other persons mods, then the mentality vanishes. dude, secretaries? i think the mustang has been around long enough to not be intended for secretaries. when it first came out it wasn't.. maybe the lower end models but, collectively speaking, it wasn't. v8 superiority comes in at certain times. not when you're against a g37 or sti or anything like that because those are faster. take a 260 hp v6 against a 260hp v8, and the v8 would win because of the higher torque. excluding abnormal portage or any abnormal engine work in any type of way to boost torque in the identical horsepower-rating v6. thats when it comes in. i myself do not have that quality about me, but when someone is talking serious bs in a car that seriously isn't even in the same class as a mustang gt, then i start to switch over to that mentality with green money signs in the place of my eyes, cause i made money off that race.
In 1964.5 when the Mustang was released, it was designed to appeal to people looking for a "sporty", yet economical vehicle. Ford was lauded for being one of the first manufacturers to market to women, namely secretaries. Their early ads scream female marketing. Hell, it only came with a straight six when it debuted. That's not bias, that's just the way it is. It takes nothing away from what the car would become. The reality is, the Boss 429 wasn't in Ford and Lee Iacocca's minds when it was originally designed.
Using the torque argument doesn't work because hp is a function of torque. It's all a matter of how the hp/tq develops across the usable powerband, how the car is geared, and how it's applied to the ground.
I'm not accusing you of V8 superiority, I'm simply making a blanket statement. If some douchebag wants to talk smack while driving a non-modifiable, shell-of-it's former-self, 3G Eclipse, smoke him and gloat all day long. I just don't like the guys who think that because they've got a V8 that they can take all comers.
I had a buddy with a 5.0L Mustang who was like that. He shut up real quick when my 4.6L made more torque than his 5 Liter, and, better yet, my other buddy's 91 MR2 Turbo made more torque than his mighty V8. So it's all subjective.
If you want to keep it relative to Fords, you could mention the
84 1/2 Mustang SVO 4 cylinder turbo. My buddy had one and it used to embarrass 5.0's all the time.
ok sooo im gonna have to open a can of worms here... cuz it may irritate you but i DO have v8 superiority mentality and i am dam proud of it!!
ok so you asian lovin americans looovvvveee ur lil 4 bangers cuz they DO (i agree) have good potential... the horsepower to weight ratio idea is a GREAT idea... very smart on the ricer's part i must say so myself... that dont mean they can hang with a v8 mustang...
now, u think ricers are all cool and stuff, but yet ur 98 gt had garbage for rwhp... gee something is wrong here... if u had done the PI swap, then one would assume u modded other things too... but 248 is considerably sad in the HP world... anyway, not to knock the car u sold or anything hahaha, heres the deal breaker... ok a ricer DOES have potential, in enough turbo and unnatural amounts of forced induction and low weight numbers... the WRX STIs even have my own special respect category... but thats mainly just cuz they are AWD... ok SO that being said....
your comparing a forced induction all wheel drive tin can on wheels with no weight to it...to a naturally aspirated, heavy as hell, rear wheel drive muscle machine that STILL whomps on a ricer bone stock day in day out... so go figure??
well HERES a thought, why dont we consider the improbable to be POSSIBLE... lets force tons of air thru a v8 mustang... (v8 superiority) lets slap on the kenne bell 2.1 not even the 2.6 which requires forged internals, which im SURE, that a lot of ricers do at some point or another to hold onto a motor... you are now, with just a MAF, TB, fuel delivery increase and a tune, (all considerably cheap) your now pushin AROUND 430 rwhp with only 9 psi of boost at 93 octane which u can SAFELY RUN on a stock motor... AND u will even be pushing about 425 ft lbs of torque!! something ur ricemobile will NEVER see ESPECIALLY at a nice low rpm... low meaning earlier in the game without needing a 6:1 drive ratio... THEN where is ur competition?? ok i give it up to a WRX STI... this is where they too hold my respect, forced induction vs forced induction v8 stang, STI still holds it and takes the win... well their key, less weight and more traction... AWD....
ok so lets just say, we put a transfer case in a mustang!! an extra driveshaft and say like a ford TTB front end like a bronco specially designed for a mustang with those huge like 1.5 inch diamater axleshafts that are in my bronco.... NOW ur 430-500 RWHP mustang, weighs a sh!t ton MORE prolly by like 1500 lbs, but now she has equal traction in all FOUR of those 315/35 drag radials!!! THEN tell me what u got?? fried rice is what i would call it
stop comparing a dump truck to a sports car... and THEN we will talk about my sh!tty attitude....
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and ps, i managed to get 30 mpg with my mustang, granted without my forced induction and AWD, but why would i wanna buy my recycled mountain dew can that as mentioned in another thread "has more liters than ur ricemobile"
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Dude, are you even kidding me with a post like that? I've already laid out my position, so I'll just keep it simple:
1.) There's an old saying "If the queen had balls, she'd be king." So all this, "What if, what if, what if" doesn't mean anything. If I put a Dana 44, a tcase, and 9" under a Mustang, I could challenge Gravedigger. If I forced 4 million PSI through a 460, I could go the speed of light. Whatever. Cars are what they are, and they run what they run. Hypothethicals are meaningless. Mod it, run it, enjoy it.
2.) Show me your dyno sheets. You talk an awful lot of smack for someone with no numbers to back it up. Wanna know how I made that 248rwhp? BOX STOCK '01 SOHC heads & cams, BOX STOCK '02 Intake. High-flow cats. Stock catback. That's it. No port-work, STOCK manifolds, NO TUNE. My A/F was hovering around 11.0:1. I put the whole headswap together for less than $1400 and installed in a driveway, in the dark, in less than 10 hours. No junk bolt-ons - no plenum, no underdrive pulleys, no MAF, none of that. Explain to me how that's garbage.
gee something is wrong here... if u had done the PI swap, then one would assume u modded other things too... but 248 is considerably sad in the HP world... anyway, not to knock the car u sold or anything hahaha, heres the deal breaker... ok a ricer DOES have potential, in enough turbo and unnatural amounts of forced induction and low weight numbers... the WRX STIs even have my own special respect category... but thats mainly just cuz they are AWD... ok SO that being said....
AND u will even be pushing about 425 ft lbs of torque!! something ur ricemobile will NEVER see ESPECIALLY at a nice low rpm... low meaning earlier in the game without needing a 6:1 drive ratio...
